--- On Tue, 7/14/09, Yves Vincent <yvesvincent@...> wrote:


Al writes:

>Mordok has the right idea. Intention goes a long way. It is one way of creating
your own reality, which all of us do.

Y: Yes, intention goes a long way but not all the way as far as action following
intention goes. If intention worked this well, and you knew it all along, then
why did you not teach intention rather than selling us your DA to fight
chemtrails?
And your ABs?

All we would need is get all together at one point in time and all sychronize
our intention. Then poof.... what we intended to be would be, according to your
thinking!!!

A magical act huh?

That's all good in writing Al, but to alter a physical reality is  quite
different.
 
Dragon: A few words here about altering physical reality.
 
It can be done. I do it all the time. It's just another day at the office here
at Z-Force Group. Altering physical reality includes burning out cancer, healing
horses remotely, altering the course of hurricanes, and a whole lot more. It's
old hat, it's no big deal, and it has been reported in the Captain's Log entries
over the years.

Y: Changes may occur with intention in the inner life, but if we wish to modify
physical reality, be it ourselves or our environment, we succeed to the extent
that we have discovered the ways and means of controlling matter and directing
energy.
 
Dragon: Agree.

Y: I agree, mind can control energy but it does only through its own intelligent
manipulation of the metamorphic potentials inherent in the mathematical level of
the causes and effects of the physical domains, not by intention.
 
Dragon: Is there an English translation of this?

Y: Unaided mind is impotent to influence anything material except own physical
mechanism, our body, with which we are inescapably linked to.
 
Dragon: Not so. See above. You must distinguish between 'unaided' and
'untrained'.
 
The unaided human mind, if developed enough, can kill or cure, heal or harm. I
could tell you stories about my experiences with that. And I'm not the only one,
nor even the best. There are others with far more ability than me, and I
communicate with some. They keep themselves apart from such scenes as this, and
for valid reasons.

Y: Human mind does not inherently control energy, but the human mind can and
does manipulate energy just in so far as it has become master of the energy
secrets of the physical universe.
 
Dragon: Agree, mostly.  "...inherently control energy...". Thoughts are energy.
They create the reality you experience. Unfocused, random and purposeless, they
can lead to unexpected outcomes and situations in the life of one who has not
learned to guide or control his own thoughts.

Y: So, if your tractor breaks, you can have all the intentions in the world to
get it going but unless you physically work on it, your power of intention will
be just that....the power of intention.
 
Dragon: What you said illustrates the practical limits of intention without
invalidating the idea.
 
That is not to say that mentally fixing your tractor could not be done. It is to
say that you can't get there from here. You can't fix your broken tractor from
your current level of ability or understanding. But, there are likely those who
can. And if you spent a lifetime in training, maybe you might become one. But
for what purpose? To amaze the girls? To win bar bets? To save a few bucks at
the tractor shop?
 
There are beings who can do this. Not because they've spent years learning how
to mentally fix tractors, but because that is where they are in their level of
development. Walking through solid objects is a piece of cake for those who know
how, and so would be fixing tractors. It isn't that it can't be done, it is that
such a task is beyond the normal range of human possibilities.
 
The better approach would be to intend that your tractor function with no
problems. This is within human ability. I did it myself, years ago. I had a '78
Econoline van, and because I intended it to last me a long time and be
relatively trouble free, it did. It had 428,000 miles on it, 300,000 of them
mine, with never the heads having been taken off. The original muffler was still
on it. It was worn and getting tired, and I gave it to a friend who had no
vehicle. No vehicle I've owned since then has been as reliable and trouble-free
as that one. 

Y: For example.... I look at myself as a guitarist. And Rick will relate to that
as well...

Y: I can have all the intentions in the world to do do a killer guitar solo but
unless I am in shape to be able to perform what I  intend to do, my intention
will just be just that...an intention...not a translation into a great
performance, less I am physically at the level of my intention. And to do that,
I need physical
work...practice. ...until I'm impeccable.
 
Dragon: You are confusing intention with manifestation. Two different things.

Y: It's like that with everything in life. You can wish things but unless you
work toward making that wish happen, it will remain but a wish.
 
Dragon: Now you are confusing intention with wishing. Two different things.

Y: Then you go on writing:

>Here on the forum, others create their own reality in a similar way. So afraid,
they are, of chemtrails after seeing them for so many years that they stand
under a blue sky and declare that the sylph up in the sky is a chemical cloud.

Y: So afraid they are?????
 
Dragon: 'Conditioned to seeing' might have been a better choice of words, but
you would probably have pounced on that, too. The meaning is clear enough,
though.
Y: That's real lame, Al. And a presumtuous pompous cretin you are saying this
about the ones on this forum who are seeing real trails over their city.
 
Dragon: And you can't even spell presumptuous! What's a cretin? Is that kinda
like a chitlin'?
 
Those who have posted photos of real trails have read my response that they are
real trails. Those who see sylphs and/or thin, white, clouds have read my
response that identifies them for what they are.

Y: Get off your self agrandising attitude, stop your belittling talk and your
ostentatious display of self-importance.
 
Dragon: You're the one doing the belittling talk. I read what you said to Robert
P. and to MaryK. Mocking put-downs, dismissive attitude, and no real
understanding of the ideas being presented to you. That's you.

Y: What happened to you? Jeckyl and Hyde here?
 
Dragon: You're the one who's exhibiting a personality we never knew.

Y: If you believe there is no more chemtrails, then you really don't need to be
on this forum any longer, do you?
 
Dragon: As I've been saying for at least six years, chemtrails are only the
visible manifestation of a greater problem. We, as a group, have been working on
other aspects of that problem for a very long time. So there's no reason for me
to leave, you can put that dream aside. Now that chemtrails have faded as the
main problem, that leaves us all more time to concentrate on the other aspects
of the larger problem.

Y: There is still work to do but you've gone another route.
 
Dragon: There is still work to be done, and I'm focusing on it. Same as always.
See paragraph previous to this one.

Y: That's fine, but that's not this forum's purpose and by trying to force your
own agenda on this forum, you are losing credibility.
 
Dragon: If you're gonna accuse me of forcing my own agenda on this forum, will
you be so kind as to explain just what you think my agenda, the one I'm forcing,
is?

Dragon




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