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Hi Dragon,

Where to start with all your points,

first off your example of buying cigs, gasoline, etc in 1954, what you fail to
mention is that all of your change (quarters, dimes, halves) were all 90% silver
in 1954. that is why the price was stable for those commodities

why is franklin sanders sellling it all?

Well that happens to be his business, he makes money off of commissions.

obviously Franklin and other dealers cannot control Bull and bear markets,
fundamentals drive those.



Now I agree with the other folks, buy food and ammo first.

I recommend the grains/beans, best cost and healthiest for you, easy to store.

if you cannot afford gold, buy silver.

anything in savings, 401K, etc should be viewed as a losing asset

annuities, retirements, etc are going to lose purchasing power.

the govt has about a 100 trillion dollars in nfunded liabilities (social
security, medicaire, etc)

they also have 1.2 quadrillion dollars in toxic deriatives they are going to try
and print their way out of.

the total U.S. DGP is about 12 trillion dollars yearly,

so raising taxes is not going to solve it

and no voters will ever allow "lowering benefits"

so that only leaves "print more money"

so buy food, ammo and then silver and gold


But the dollar has a lot further to fall, and whether you choose to admit it Mr.
Dragon, silver and gold have been money for thousands of years, unlike the paper
stuff in your wallet..

the paper stuff in your wallet may not stop dropping, it may in fact return to
its instrinsic value (about a penny for paper and ink for every denomination
($1, $5, $10, $20, $100)


every FIAT currency has failed, only silver and gold have survived.


but as with all things, due your own due diligence.

btw,

John Williams is only an economist, he reports on the govt numbers (the 100
trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities)


from reading your posts, and your reference to "buying gas in 1954"

you must be close to receiving some of these unfunded liabilities, if you ar
enot already on the payroll now

inflation destroys the elderly/retired the worst

they are on fixed incomes, and personal savings

both of these assets are destroyed by inflation

  it makes no difference to me if you buy silver or gold, if you can figure out a
way to pay off those 100 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities, without
destroying the dollar I am "all ears"




   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Al Gray
   To: ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:17 AM
   Subject: Re: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Gold And Silver........


   I figured I'd stir up some controversy with that one! Gold bugs are a
passionate lot. We're just batting ideas about here, you understand. Different
viewpoints. Being a contrarian about gold is a tough job, but someone has to do
it! Doesn't pay much, either.

   The world is a whole lot different when you look at it with a billion or more
dollars in your bank account. We are not talking about those kind of people.
They're not going to be homeless or worry about four dollar gasoline.

   We are talking about the average Joe, or Ginni, as the case may be. And the
stories are going out, the drums of
   are beating their message of looming catastrophe. How does one such as I
prepare?

   I'm down to my last million, and most of it is gone. I don't have $900 to buy
an ounce of gold, and wouldn't if I had a thousand times that much.

   Ginni has the right idea. Stock up on consumables. What good is a piece of
gold when there's no water to be had?

   Long before the 70s rolled around, I had already been made aware that the
stock market was rigged. So I would not have put my imaginary 100K in that.

   My mythical $480,000 would today buy me roughly 120,000 gallons of gasoline.

   I was buying gasoline for 35cents a gallon back in the
   70s. The $100K that I would have invested in the stock market would buy me
240,000 gallons of gasoline.

   For the benefit of those of you who are too young to remember these things;
back in 1954 a person could buy
   a gallon of gasoline, a pack of cigarettes, a pound of bananas, and get back
change from a dollar.

   I still want to know why is this man so eager to sell me gold when he's also
telling me that my money is going to be worthless very soon? If what he says
about the dollar is true, and all indications seem to point that way, then why
does he want to exchange his valuable gold for my worthless dollar?

   Dragon

   --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Yves Vincent <yvesvincent@...> wrote:

   That is one opinion. This is the truth according to Al.

   Not necessarily the truth nor the reality of the precious metal.

   Al, I respect who you are and what you do, but on this one, you're
   way off. In 1970, gold was at $35 an oz. Ten years later, it sold for
   $850 an oz. Then it went down to around the $200's to hit over
   $1000 last May.

   Gold has always been solid for thousands of years. There's
   a reason why Nixon took gold off the dollar in 1971. They could
   not print as much dollars as they wanted without backing it with
   the equivalent in gold. If gold was worthless as you say, why is
   there no more gold in Fort Knox. Who has it? Do you know?

   Gold is not illusionary wealth. The dollar is! But I know very
   wealthy people Al...billionaires. ..and gold and silver is their
   hedge against the falling dollar. Yes it's being manipulated now
   but they can't manipulate it at infinitum... there's a limit to
   the manipulation of it...otherwise. ..they would bring it back
   down to $35 an oz.

   Had you invested $100,000 in 1970 in stocks, bonds etc.
   Today your portfolio would be worlth less that $88,000.

   Had you put 30% of gold in your portfolio, it would be worth
   over $480,000 today.

   Illusionary wealth? I think not! Yves

   ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Al Gray
   To: Holistically Assisted Aerial Reclamation Project
   Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:29 PM
   Subject: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Gold And Silver...... ..

   I'm with Ginni on this one. Gold and silver are illusionary wealth. Got extra
money
   to use to prepare for hard times? Buy toilet paper and canned tuna..

   Now think about this a minute. There's a guy wants to sell you gold, silver,
coins,
   etc. Why? 'Cause there's a crash coming and your money is going to be
worthless.

   O.K. Makes sense so far. Now, what do you give him in exchange for the gold?
Your
   soon-to-be-worthles s money! If it's gonna be good for use only as toilet
paper, why
   is this man so eager and willing to take it?

   He's a humanitarian, perhaps? Nooooooo, not really.

   He's sitting out there in a virtual parking lot on the internet with a pickup
   loaded with gold and silver coins. He's selling them to you at a fairly dear
price,
   too. And people are lining up to buy them. Why? 'Cause everybody knows that
the money
   is gonna be worthless.

   Who told them that it is gonna be worthless? The people who want to sell them
gold
   and silver, that's who!

   Now, at the end of the day, the old boy has sold out his stock of gold and
silver
   coins. He's got a million worthless dollars in his pocket. What's he gonna do
with
   them?

   And why isn't his wife beating him over the head with a rolling pin because he
   traded a pickup full of gold and silver for worthless pieces of paper?

   Things that make you go hmmm.... in the night.

   Want to see an example of just what gold or silver will buy in a hard time
   situation? Go watch Casablanca again. Rick's place--not this one, the one in
   Casablanca-- is filled with people who are trying to sell gold rings,
diamonds,
   watches, anything. No one wants to buy them. What everyone wants is an exit
visa.

   Let's suppose that hard times are here and you're down to your last can of
tuna. If
   someone offers you a $20 gold piece for it, what would be your response?

   And just what does one expect to do with all those gold and silver coins he's
   hoarded in his basement? Buy something with them, perhaps?

   Why pay $900 for an ounce of gold that you'd gladly trade for a can of tuna,
when
   you can buy a can of tuna now for much less than a dollar?

   The gold market is controlled. It is their game. What are you going to tell
your
   wife when the $900 gold is worth less than $300. Or becomes illegal to own?

   Dragon

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DEAD ON !!! Robert.

Gold and silver go back thousands of years.

Purchasing gold and silver is not for people who can hardly
make ends meet.  It's a way to hedge your bets if you have
assets to protect.

The coin dealer I deal with buys more gold and silver with the
fiat dollars he gets paid for his metal.

As to how to pay the deficit, look into CAFR, the comprehensive
annual financial report.  There's enough money there to pay the
deficit ten times. But that's the second set of books the government
doesn't talk about.  In it are the US corporation's investments and
those never show up in the annual budget.  All states (corporations)
have CAFR's ...

http://alweaver.com/shaver/cafr.htm How they hide the money,
by Walter Burien.

On some drives from past computer I have a list of all the states
CAFRs and the US government's and there is so much money there.

   Yves


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Robert Busser
   To: ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:15 AM
   Subject: Re: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Gold And Silver........


   Hi Dragon,

   Where to start with all your points,

   first off your example of buying cigs, gasoline, etc in 1954, what you fail to
mention is that all of your change (quarters, dimes, halves) were all 90% silver
in
1954. that is why the price was stable for those commodities

   why is franklin sanders sellling it all?

   Well that happens to be his business, he makes money off of commissions.

   obviously Franklin and other dealers cannot control Bull and bear markets,
fundamentals drive those.

   Now I agree with the other folks, buy food and ammo first.

   I recommend the grains/beans, best cost and healthiest for you, easy to store.

   if you cannot afford gold, buy silver.

   anything in savings, 401K, etc should be viewed as a losing asset

   annuities, retirements, etc are going to lose purchasing power.

   the govt has about a 100 trillion dollars in nfunded liabilities (social
security,
medicaire, etc)

   they also have 1.2 quadrillion dollars in toxic deriatives they are going to
try
and print their way out of.

   the total U.S. DGP is about 12 trillion dollars yearly,

   so raising taxes is not going to solve it

   and no voters will ever allow "lowering benefits"

   so that only leaves "print more money"

   so buy food, ammo and then silver and gold

   But the dollar has a lot further to fall, and whether you choose to admit it
Mr.
Dragon, silver and gold have been money for thousands of years, unlike the paper
stuff in your wallet..

   the paper stuff in your wallet may not stop dropping, it may in fact return to
its
instrinsic value (about a penny for paper and ink for every denomination ($1,
$5,
$10, $20, $100)

   every FIAT currency has failed, only silver and gold have survived.

   but as with all things, due your own due diligence.

   btw,

   John Williams is only an economist, he reports on the govt numbers (the 100
trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities)

   from reading your posts, and your reference to "buying gas in 1954"

   you must be close to receiving some of these unfunded liabilities, if you ar
enot
already on the payroll now

   inflation destroys the elderly/retired the worst

   they are on fixed incomes, and personal savings

   both of these assets are destroyed by inflation

   it makes no difference to me if you buy silver or gold, if you can figure out
a way
to pay off those 100 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities, without
destroying the
dollar I am "all ears"

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Al Gray
   To: ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:17 AM
   Subject: Re: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Gold And Silver........

   I figured I'd stir up some controversy with that one! Gold bugs are a
passionate
lot. We're just batting ideas about here, you understand. Different viewpoints.
Being
a contrarian about gold is a tough job, but someone has to do it! Doesn't pay
much,
either.

   The world is a whole lot different when you look at it with a billion or more
dollars in your bank account. We are not talking about those kind of people.
They're
not going to be homeless or worry about four dollar gasoline.

   We are talking about the average Joe, or Ginni, as the case may be. And the
stories
are going out, the drums of
   are beating their message of looming catastrophe. How does one such as I
prepare?

   I'm down to my last million, and most of it is gone. I don't have $900 to buy
an
ounce of gold, and wouldn't if I had a thousand times that much.

   Ginni has the right idea. Stock up on consumables. What good is a piece of
gold
when there's no water to be had?

   Long before the 70s rolled around, I had already been made aware that the
stock
market was rigged. So I would not have put my imaginary 100K in that.

   My mythical $480,000 would today buy me roughly 120,000 gallons of gasoline.

   I was buying gasoline for 35cents a gallon back in the
   70s. The $100K that I would have invested in the stock market would buy me
240,000
gallons of gasoline.

   For the benefit of those of you who are too young to remember these things;
back in
1954 a person could buy
   a gallon of gasoline, a pack of cigarettes, a pound of bananas, and get back
change
from a dollar.

   I still want to know why is this man so eager to sell me gold when he's also
telling me that my money is going to be worthless very soon? If what he says
about
the dollar is true, and all indications seem to point that way, then why does he
want
to exchange his valuable gold for my worthless dollar?

   Dragon

   --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Yves Vincent <yvesvincent@...> wrote:

   That is one opinion. This is the truth according to Al.

   Not necessarily the truth nor the reality of the precious metal.

   Al, I respect who you are and what you do, but on this one, you're
   way off. In 1970, gold was at $35 an oz. Ten years later, it sold for
   $850 an oz. Then it went down to around the $200's to hit over
   $1000 last May.

   Gold has always been solid for thousands of years. There's
   a reason why Nixon took gold off the dollar in 1971. They could
   not print as much dollars as they wanted without backing it with
   the equivalent in gold. If gold was worthless as you say, why is
   there no more gold in Fort Knox. Who has it? Do you know?

   Gold is not illusionary wealth. The dollar is! But I know very
   wealthy people Al...billionaires. ..and gold and silver is their
   hedge against the falling dollar. Yes it's being manipulated now
   but they can't manipulate it at infinitum... there's a limit to
   the manipulation of it...otherwise. ..they would bring it back
   down to $35 an oz.

   Had you invested $100,000 in 1970 in stocks, bonds etc.
   Today your portfolio would be worlth less that $88,000.

   Had you put 30% of gold in your portfolio, it would be worth
   over $480,000 today.

   Illusionary wealth? I think not! Yves

   ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Al Gray
   To: Holistically Assisted Aerial Reclamation Project
   Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:29 PM
   Subject: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Gold And Silver...... ..

   I'm with Ginni on this one. Gold and silver are illusionary wealth. Got extra
money
   to use to prepare for hard times? Buy toilet paper and canned tuna..

   Now think about this a minute. There's a guy wants to sell you gold, silver,
coins,
   etc. Why? 'Cause there's a crash coming and your money is going to be
worthless.

   O.K. Makes sense so far. Now, what do you give him in exchange for the gold?
Your
   soon-to-be-worthles s money! If it's gonna be good for use only as toilet
paper,
why
   is this man so eager and willing to take it?

   He's a humanitarian, perhaps? Nooooooo, not really.

   He's sitting out there in a virtual parking lot on the internet with a pickup
   loaded with gold and silver coins. He's selling them to you at a fairly dear
price,
   too. And people are lining up to buy them. Why? 'Cause everybody knows that
the
money
   is gonna be worthless.

   Who told them that it is gonna be worthless? The people who want to sell them
gold
   and silver, that's who!

   Now, at the end of the day, the old boy has sold out his stock of gold and
silver
   coins. He's got a million worthless dollars in his pocket. What's he gonna do
with
   them?

   And why isn't his wife beating him over the head with a rolling pin because he
   traded a pickup full of gold and silver for worthless pieces of paper?

   Things that make you go hmmm.... in the night.

   Want to see an example of just what gold or silver will buy in a hard time
   situation? Go watch Casablanca again. Rick's place--not this one, the one in
   Casablanca-- is filled with people who are trying to sell gold rings,
diamonds,
   watches, anything. No one wants to buy them. What everyone wants is an exit
visa.

   Let's suppose that hard times are here and you're down to your last can of
tuna. If
   someone offers you a $20 gold piece for it, what would be your response?

   And just what does one expect to do with all those gold and silver coins he's
   hoarded in his basement? Buy something with them, perhaps?

   Why pay $900 for an ounce of gold that you'd gladly trade for a can of tuna,
when
   you can buy a can of tuna now for much less than a dollar?

   The gold market is controlled. It is their game. What are you going to tell
your
   wife when the $900 gold is worth less than $300. Or becomes illegal to own?

   Dragon

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even if there is "the money their" in shadow accounts and such

it is still massive inflation

No way to pay off those liabilities without massive inflation

John Williams has gone on record saying "using $100 bills for toilet paper"

when the currency is not asset backed (gold, silver, etc) then it only has value
in relation to goods/servives (GDP)

so even if the money you claim exists out there, and they tapped it, it would
only further devalue all the existing money, the amount of "goods & services"
would not rise in proportion that new money

More money chasing the same amount of goods & services = higher prices (or
inflation)




   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Yves Vincent
   To: ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 11:54 AM
   Subject: Re: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Gold And Silver........


   DEAD ON !!! Robert.

   Gold and silver go back thousands of years.

   Purchasing gold and silver is not for people who can hardly
   make ends meet. It's a way to hedge your bets if you have
   assets to protect.

   The coin dealer I deal with buys more gold and silver with the
   fiat dollars he gets paid for his metal.

   As to how to pay the deficit, look into CAFR, the comprehensive
   annual financial report. There's enough money there to pay the
   deficit ten times. But that's the second set of books the government
   doesn't talk about. In it are the US corporation's investments and
   those never show up in the annual budget. All states (corporations)
   have CAFR's ...

   http://alweaver.com/shaver/cafr.htm How they hide the money,
   by Walter Burien.

   On some drives from past computer I have a list of all the states
   CAFRs and the US government's and there is so much money there.

   Yves

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Robert Busser
   To: ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:15 AM
   Subject: Re: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Gold And Silver........

   Hi Dragon,

   Where to start with all your points,

   first off your example of buying cigs, gasoline, etc in 1954, what you fail to
   mention is that all of your change (quarters, dimes, halves) were all 90%
silver in
   1954. that is why the price was stable for those commodities

   why is franklin sanders sellling it all?

   Well that happens to be his business, he makes money off of commissions.

   obviously Franklin and other dealers cannot control Bull and bear markets,
   fundamentals drive those.

   Now I agree with the other folks, buy food and ammo first.

   I recommend the grains/beans, best cost and healthiest for you, easy to store.

   if you cannot afford gold, buy silver.

   anything in savings, 401K, etc should be viewed as a losing asset

   annuities, retirements, etc are going to lose purchasing power.

   the govt has about a 100 trillion dollars in nfunded liabilities (social
security,
   medicaire, etc)

   they also have 1.2 quadrillion dollars in toxic deriatives they are going to
try
   and print their way out of.

   the total U.S. DGP is about 12 trillion dollars yearly,

   so raising taxes is not going to solve it

   and no voters will ever allow "lowering benefits"

   so that only leaves "print more money"

   so buy food, ammo and then silver and gold

   But the dollar has a lot further to fall, and whether you choose to admit it
Mr.
   Dragon, silver and gold have been money for thousands of years, unlike the
paper
   stuff in your wallet..

   the paper stuff in your wallet may not stop dropping, it may in fact return to
its
   instrinsic value (about a penny for paper and ink for every denomination ($1,
$5,
   $10, $20, $100)

   every FIAT currency has failed, only silver and gold have survived.

   but as with all things, due your own due diligence.

   btw,

   John Williams is only an economist, he reports on the govt numbers (the 100
   trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities)

   from reading your posts, and your reference to "buying gas in 1954"

   you must be close to receiving some of these unfunded liabilities, if you ar
enot
   already on the payroll now

   inflation destroys the elderly/retired the worst

   they are on fixed incomes, and personal savings

   both of these assets are destroyed by inflation

   it makes no difference to me if you buy silver or gold, if you can figure out
a way
   to pay off those 100 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities, without
destroying the
   dollar I am "all ears"

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Al Gray
   To: ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:17 AM
   Subject: Re: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Gold And Silver........

   I figured I'd stir up some controversy with that one! Gold bugs are a
passionate
   lot. We're just batting ideas about here, you understand. Different
viewpoints. Being
   a contrarian about gold is a tough job, but someone has to do it! Doesn't pay
much,
   either.

   The world is a whole lot different when you look at it with a billion or more
   dollars in your bank account. We are not talking about those kind of people.
They're
   not going to be homeless or worry about four dollar gasoline.

   We are talking about the average Joe, or Ginni, as the case may be. And the
stories
   are going out, the drums of
   are beating their message of looming catastrophe. How does one such as I
prepare?

   I'm down to my last million, and most of it is gone. I don't have $900 to buy
an
   ounce of gold, and wouldn't if I had a thousand times that much.

   Ginni has the right idea. Stock up on consumables. What good is a piece of
gold
   when there's no water to be had?

   Long before the 70s rolled around, I had already been made aware that the
stock
   market was rigged. So I would not have put my imaginary 100K in that.

   My mythical $480,000 would today buy me roughly 120,000 gallons of gasoline.

   I was buying gasoline for 35cents a gallon back in the
   70s. The $100K that I would have invested in the stock market would buy me
240,000
   gallons of gasoline.

   For the benefit of those of you who are too young to remember these things;
back in
   1954 a person could buy
   a gallon of gasoline, a pack of cigarettes, a pound of bananas, and get back
change
   from a dollar.

   I still want to know why is this man so eager to sell me gold when he's also
   telling me that my money is going to be worthless very soon? If what he says
about
   the dollar is true, and all indications seem to point that way, then why does
he want
   to exchange his valuable gold for my worthless dollar?

   Dragon

   --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Yves Vincent <yvesvincent@...> wrote:

   That is one opinion. This is the truth according to Al.

   Not necessarily the truth nor the reality of the precious metal.

   Al, I respect who you are and what you do, but on this one, you're
   way off. In 1970, gold was at $35 an oz. Ten years later, it sold for
   $850 an oz. Then it went down to around the $200's to hit over
   $1000 last May.

   Gold has always been solid for thousands of years. There's
   a reason why Nixon took gold off the dollar in 1971. They could
   not print as much dollars as they wanted without backing it with
   the equivalent in gold. If gold was worthless as you say, why is
   there no more gold in Fort Knox. Who has it? Do you know?

   Gold is not illusionary wealth. The dollar is! But I know very
   wealthy people Al...billionaires. ..and gold and silver is their
   hedge against the falling dollar. Yes it's being manipulated now
   but they can't manipulate it at infinitum... there's a limit to
   the manipulation of it...otherwise. ..they would bring it back
   down to $35 an oz.

   Had you invested $100,000 in 1970 in stocks, bonds etc.
   Today your portfolio would be worlth less that $88,000.

   Had you put 30% of gold in your portfolio, it would be worth
   over $480,000 today.

   Illusionary wealth? I think not! Yves

   ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Al Gray
   To: Holistically Assisted Aerial Reclamation Project
   Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:29 PM
   Subject: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Gold And Silver...... ..

   I'm with Ginni on this one. Gold and silver are illusionary wealth. Got extra
money
   to use to prepare for hard times? Buy toilet paper and canned tuna..

   Now think about this a minute. There's a guy wants to sell you gold, silver,
coins,
   etc. Why? 'Cause there's a crash coming and your money is going to be
worthless.

   O.K. Makes sense so far. Now, what do you give him in exchange for the gold?
Your
   soon-to-be-worthles s money! If it's gonna be good for use only as toilet
paper,
   why
   is this man so eager and willing to take it?

   He's a humanitarian, perhaps? Nooooooo, not really.

   He's sitting out there in a virtual parking lot on the internet with a pickup
   loaded with gold and silver coins. He's selling them to you at a fairly dear
price,
   too. And people are lining up to buy them. Why? 'Cause everybody knows that
the
   money
   is gonna be worthless.

   Who told them that it is gonna be worthless? The people who want to sell them
gold
   and silver, that's who!

   Now, at the end of the day, the old boy has sold out his stock of gold and
silver
   coins. He's got a million worthless dollars in his pocket. What's he gonna do
with
   them?

   And why isn't his wife beating him over the head with a rolling pin because he
   traded a pickup full of gold and silver for worthless pieces of paper?

   Things that make you go hmmm.... in the night.

   Want to see an example of just what gold or silver will buy in a hard time
   situation? Go watch Casablanca again. Rick's place--not this one, the one in
   Casablanca-- is filled with people who are trying to sell gold rings,
diamonds,
   watches, anything. No one wants to buy them. What everyone wants is an exit
visa.

   Let's suppose that hard times are here and you're down to your last can of
tuna. If
   someone offers you a $20 gold piece for it, what would be your response?

   And just what does one expect to do with all those gold and silver coins he's
   hoarded in his basement? Buy something with them, perhaps?

   Why pay $900 for an ounce of gold that you'd gladly trade for a can of tuna,
when
   you can buy a can of tuna now for much less than a dollar?

   The gold market is controlled. It is their game. What are you going to tell
your
   wife when the $900 gold is worth less than $300. Or becomes illegal to own?

   Dragon

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Yves and Robert, I'll get back to you guys later. Got a lot of work to do
outside, cabinet work to do inside, and there goes the day.
 
To put your speculation to rest, Robert, I'll be 69 in 8 more days.
 
I get a kick out of gold bugs. They're as emotional as religious zealots. :-) I
mess with their minds, too, the ones whose minds deserve to be messed with.
 
You guys are intelligent, though. We'll have a fine discussion later on. You'll
get a chance to defend your viewpoint.
 
Something to think on until I get back in the ring again, so to speak. Look up
the history and useage of Tally Sticks. England, it was.
 
Dragon
 
 
 
 
 




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I am familiar with the use of tally sticks (money masters video, excellent)


That was before the Rothschilds took over England.


the U.S. had a working system with bi-metallism (Silver & gold)

When you have only a gold standard, it is similar to FIAT

Bi-metallism solved most of the problems

the wizard of oz was based on this, in the book Dorothy's slippers were silver,
and not ruby

"yellow brick road" represented the goldd standard

Silver was the peoples money, and offered salvation

http://www.micheloud.com/FXM/MH/bibliogr.htm#WWOZAllegory


       The Wonderful Wizard of Oz a a monetary allegory
       according to scholar Hugh Rockoff

          When Frank Baum writes ...  ... he actually thinks.
      The party follows the yellow brick road up to the Emerald City
      They follow the gold standard up to Washington DC
      The tin woodman is given "a new ax with a handle made of gold and a blade
polished so that it glistens like burnished silver and a silver oilcan inlaid
with gold and precious stones to oil himself " The bimetallic standard will
ensure the industrial worker that he won't be unemployed again
      In the Emerald Palace they enter 7 passages and climb 3 flights of stairs
In the White House they see 7 and 3 : 73
      Dorothy can go back to Kansas by "kicking the heels of her silver shoes
together three times".  The power to solve her problems (by adding silver to the
money stock) was there all the time.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Al Gray
   To: Holistically Assisted Aerial Reclamation Project
   Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:12 PM
   Subject: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Gold And Silver.....



   Yves and Robert, I'll get back to you guys later. Got a lot of work to do
outside, cabinet work to do inside, and there goes the day.

   To put your speculation to rest, Robert, I'll be 69 in 8 more days.

   I get a kick out of gold bugs. They're as emotional as religious zealots. :-)
I mess with their minds, too, the ones whose minds deserve to be messed with.

   You guys are intelligent, though. We'll have a fine discussion later on.
You'll get a chance to defend your viewpoint.

   Something to think on until I get back in the ring again, so to speak. Look up
the history and useage of Tally Sticks. England, it was.

   Dragon






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What else is valuable?  How about energy?  Could whoever is behind
dumping the gold also be behind the new oil fields in Russia and
Indonesia?  Dump the gold and take the dollar and invest in the oil
fields.  Then when the dollar is worthless and gold drops to a very low
level, they take the profits from the oil and buy back their gold.  Is
this a possible plan for them?

Mordok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CXPtmvdWDo

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I saw the item from Chapman & lindsey williams

which is what I believe you are referring to.

Theoretically possible, but in either case the dollar still drops.

all those derivatives and unfunded liabilities make a weaker dollar the only
path.

they can bring more oil online (or drill domestically)

and that will help, but it will not alleviate the big issues



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Mordok
   To: ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 1:09 PM
   Subject: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Gold and Silver....


   What else is valuable? How about energy? Could whoever is behind
   dumping the gold also be behind the new oil fields in Russia and
   Indonesia? Dump the gold and take the dollar and invest in the oil
   fields. Then when the dollar is worthless and gold drops to a very low
   level, they take the profits from the oil and buy back their gold. Is
   this a possible plan for them?

   Mordok




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Jul 25, 2008 0:15 | Updated Jul 25, 2008 8:13
IDF vets train NY Jewish paramilitaries

Talkbacks for this article: 58


Yonatan Stern, the "Sgan Mefaked Hakita" (deputy squad commander) of Kitat
Konenut New York, insists his "paramilitary emergency armed response team" is no
"group of vigilantes or a JDL [Jewish Defense League]."


Members of Kitat Konenut New York pose in a photo posted on the group's Facebook
page.
Photo: Courtesy

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"The goal of the organization is to have a competent and professional group of
armed volunteers ready to respond to a threat at a moment's notice in any area
where Jews reside," explains the Israeli combat veteran.

"We do not carry out demonstrations or political activity of any kind as we have
no political agenda. Our agenda is to protect Jews wherever and whenever
necessary and by any means needed."

On Friday, the third session of the group's training camp will begin in the
Catskills woodlands of upstate New York, on land belonging to a Jewish supporter
of the organization. With tuition at $400, the group expects 15 participants and
five instructors for the 10 days of training. Participation has doubled since
the group began three years ago.

Kitat Konenut New York is modeled on the rapid response teams in the West Bank
settlements that are often the first to act when terrorist attacks or other
emergencies take place. The group bills itself as religious-Zionist but
nonpolitical.

American Jews have "felt a false sense of security in the United States," Stern
believes, "because historically there has been less anti-Semitism than in other
countries. But there have been incidents - neo-Nazi terrorist attacks, Arab
terrorist attacks. Jews have to be vigilant."

"The threat is not from the American people or government," he adds, but from
"terrorist sleeper cells that want to target Jews. These people are very
dangerous and the FBI issues warnings against them very often," he said, citing
the FBI's warning, after the killing of Hizbullah operations chief Imad
Mughniyeh in Damascus in February, that the Lebanese group might carry out
terror attacks on Jewish communities.

"The average American is friendly to Jews, but we're worried about those
individuals on the periphery of society," Stern says.

The group was founded in the summer of 2006 in response to the shooting attack
at the Jewish federation of Seattle premises by local Muslim Naveed Haq.

"We realized there is a need for this kind of organization, and as Israeli
combat veterans living in the US, we have the skills and ability to respond to
this," Stern says.

The group's MySpace page details the camp's regimen, which includes training in
the IDF's Krav Maga martial art, use of non-lethal weapons and identification of
suspicious objects, but also sharpshooter and assault rifle training, infantry
exercises and endurance marches. Explanatory literature lists a large number of
weapons with which participants can expect to train.

"We believe all Jews in the US must be legally armed and trained," Stern says,
"and towards this goal we hold paramilitary training camps to train and equip
Jewish American youth."

The group's literature notes emphatically that all firearms used in training
"are 100% legal and in compliance with all federal, state and local laws."

"We strongly believe in the constitutional right to bear arms and we express
this right to its fullest," it adds.

The group claims to be "well-connected with the New York police and fire
departments" and it invites "all members of the law enforcement community to
join in our life-saving activities."

Stern says, "We are all legally armed and carry radios and cellphones" during
all hours of the day, and even on Shabbat, "as we need to be constantly ready to
respond to any incident."

The camp literature also promises discussions on Torah and Halacha,
understanding and confronting terrorism, fighting anti-Semitism, the history of
the Zionist movement in the Land of Israel, and encouraging participants to
"know your rights and learn how every American can and must be legally armed and
how to express the Second Amendment" - the right to bear arms.

Funded by tuition money and a handful of private donors, the group does not
exclude secular Jews, Stern says, but asks that they respect the Orthodox nature
of the camp by observing Shabbat in public and refraining from bringing
non-kosher food.

"We wouldn't have a problem with non-Jews coming either," says Stern, "but no
non-Jew has applied thus far."


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Yes, Phil, there has been a "mysterious" lack of visible chemtrails &
the planes recently. We had about 3wks of intense smoke in our Yokayo
Valley, which is where Ukiah is located(Mendocino County),therefor
nothing overhead was visible for quite some time. After the smoke
finally disippated, there were a few trails that wafted out into those
wispy pieces of crud & a couple of days of heavy HAARP clouds. Since
then, nothing much that I've been able to see, but then my new home is
heavily sheltered by trees & bushes...not the 360degree high ground I
used to live on.

At first I thought it might be because of the BoHo Bad Boys down in
Monte Rio for their "Summer HiJinx". God forbid they should inhale their
own toxins!!!

However....I haven't heard anything about the "chimneys". Do you know if
they have, in fact, been put in place?

Ginny (Friday, 08/01/08, 2:35pm PDT)


--- In ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com, "oldmanfromnh"
<oldmanfromnh@...> wrote:
>
> 29 July 2008
>
> Recently I have been reading posts about a lack of chemtrails and
> chemtrail laying planes. It jogged my memory about a long ago dowse I
> made in response to California fires that were set. And yesterday
> skies here appear to be a smudge up high, which reminds me of that
> dowse.
>
> The upshot of the dowse was that the area was needed by the feds for
> a special facility, and the fires gave the feds fire sale prices to
> work with. It was to be an enormous facility. An "electronic chimney"
> was to be involved that would transport chemtrail chemicals from this
> facility up into the upper atmosphere via an unseen chimney, and this
> chimney then bent 90 deg. horizontally and extended so the chemtrails
> could be spread without the use of a plane. There were to be 2
> facilities in North America – California and Florida. These were
all
> part of about a dozen sister facilities being built (back then) to
> cover the world, including one or two mobile ships equipped the same
> as a land based facility.
>
> Philip N. Ledoux
>
> Kindly cross-post if possible
>




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Gold and silver, especially gold, are promoted as stores of wealth. Some way to
keep your assets safe during perilous times. So if you have a bunch of dollar
bills and the future of the dollar appears uncertain, then one is advised to put
those dollars into gold. Security, safety, all that stuff.
 
O.K. Let's go back to Yves' illustration about gold and the fading dollar:
 
>>Had you invested $100,000 in 1970 in stocks, bonds etc.
Today your portfolio would be worlth less that $88,000.

Had you put 30% of gold in your portfolio, it would be worth
over $480,000 today.<<
 
My definition of 'a storehouse of value' and 'keeping my money safe' is that if
I have X number of dollar bills today, I want to be able to put them in a place
where I can come back in five, ten, thirty, years and at least be able to buy as
much as I could have before I stored them somewhere.
 
So, here we are in the 70s, and our hypothetical $100K would buy me 240,000
gallons of gasoline.
 
If I had put that 100K into the stock market, what a loser! I'd get less number
of dollars back. Yoicks! Should have bought lottery tickets.
 
But I'm smarter than that. I put 30% of that $100K in gold. Hot dog! Now, my
nest egg is worth $480,000 today. Sounds good, so far.
 
So I go out to buy gasoline with this humungous bundle of money. At $4 per
gallon, I can buy 120,000 gallons of gasoline. Half as much.
 
I put in $100K in 1970 dollars. Wait thirty years, and get back the equivalent
of $50K in 1970 dollars. Where's the safety and security and 'storehouse of
value' in that?
 
Dragon
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 




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Dragon,

these events are cyclical (inflations, stock bull or bear markets, etc)

you need to look around at all the investments available (bonds, Stocks, Real
estate, cash, etc)

Besides Gold & silver where exactly would you put your money at today?

the bond market is losing money even by the phoney CPI numbers from the fed, and
once they raise interest rates it will all collapse

Real estate is collapsing,

the stock market is moving sideways since 2000, but in inflation adjusted terms
has lot 30%+

Cash, the dollar has gone from 1.25 to 0.71 in about 6 years, and is getting
ready to drop some more.


There will be a time to sell your gold/silver, unless they completely destroy
the dollar.

really I would love to hear where you are putting money these days, beside
precious metals, and not losing money...



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Al Gray
   To: Holistically Assisted Aerial Reclamation Project
   Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:43 PM
   Subject: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Gold And Silver, cont'd.......



   Gold and silver, especially gold, are promoted as stores of wealth. Some way
to keep your assets safe during perilous times. So if you have a bunch of dollar
bills and the future of the dollar appears uncertain, then one is advised to put
those dollars into gold. Security, safety, all that stuff.

   O.K. Let's go back to Yves' illustration about gold and the fading dollar:

   >>Had you invested $100,000 in 1970 in stocks, bonds etc.
   Today your portfolio would be worlth less that $88,000.

   Had you put 30% of gold in your portfolio, it would be worth
   over $480,000 today.<<

   My definition of 'a storehouse of value' and 'keeping my money safe' is that
if I have X number of dollar bills today, I want to be able to put them in a
place where I can come back in five, ten, thirty, years and at least be able to
buy as much as I could have before I stored them somewhere.

   So, here we are in the 70s, and our hypothetical $100K would buy me 240,000
gallons of gasoline.

   If I had put that 100K into the stock market, what a loser! I'd get less
number of dollars back. Yoicks! Should have bought lottery tickets.

   But I'm smarter than that. I put 30% of that $100K in gold. Hot dog! Now, my
nest egg is worth $480,000 today. Sounds good, so far.

   So I go out to buy gasoline with this humungous bundle of money. At $4 per
gallon, I can buy 120,000 gallons of gasoline. Half as much.

   I put in $100K in 1970 dollars. Wait thirty years, and get back the equivalent
of $50K in 1970 dollars. Where's the safety and security and 'storehouse of
value' in that?

   Dragon
















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>>Dragon,

these events are cyclical (inflations, stock bull or bear markets, etc)<<
 
These events are cyclical because they are manipulatable. Anyone who invests
money in those things is playing someone else's game. The 'house' always wins.
The loss of 50% of the 1970 dollar's purchasing power over 30 years is an
illustration of that. I get back almost five times as much money as I had, which
will buy me half of what it did back then.
 
What to do with your bundle of money? I can't tell you what others would do, but
for me, here's what I'd do if I won the lottery tomorrow.
 
At nearly 70 years old and not of a materialistic nature, half of my life is
already over. So I'm not looking for a safe place for my retirement nest egg.
 
Anyone with a sizeable amount of money, I'd tell them to go and buy some sort of
income producing property. A ranch, perhaps. An apartment building or trailer
park. That $100K you put into a trailer park will immediately begin to bring in
revenue. If the country holds together long enough, the income will pay off your
investment. You will get your $100K back, and still have at least that much in
value in the property. Even if you sign a quit claim deed and give it to your
wife, or a meteorite hits your apartment building and destroys it, you still
will have gotten back your initial investment.
 
In a perfect world, you will be able to sell that trailer park and the money you
get from it, added to the revenue stream over 30 years, will equal or surpass
the rate of dollar inflation. You'll be ahead in terms of buying power. You'll
be able to buy as many gallons of gasoline then as you would now. Follow me?
 
With a million or two from the lottery, I would buy myself a modest spread
somewhere here in Texas. The rest of it I would use to promote what they call
ecological, or sustainable is the buzz word now, agriculture. Scholarships for
students who will involve themselves in that line of agriculture.
 
http://www.acresusa.com/magazines/magazine.htm
 
See link above.
 
Now, keep in mind that my purpose in this life is to engage the dark side in the
struggle for control of planet earth. So, whatever I do, whether it is funding
ecological agriculture with lottery winnings, or turning towers into Double
Agents, or using mind power to burn out someone's cancer, it all is part of the
same struggle, expressed in different ways.
 
Big payoff with the lottery? Got some money left? What I'd like to see done is
to promote the widespread use and acceptance of Royal Oil and our other
products. We take pain away. Pain that has been around for decades just goes
away or is sharply reduced.
 
www.royaloil.org.
 
On horses, we've had 100% success rate. There's a huge market in the horse world
alone, enough to make a man a millionaire many times over. And that's just in
the horse world market. With people, we've had about 90% success rate. People
are more complex and have belief systems that get in the way. Personality
issues, psychological issues, it's a mess. Still, we get 90%.
 
I have a feeling that this is going to begin to take off on its own, without
lottery winnings, some time this year. Stay tuned.
 
With virtually unlimited funding, I could underwrite the expenses of one or two
people who would travel the country, then the globe, and disrupt the plans of
the dark side. We're getting that done anyway, but I'm an impatient man when it
comes to that. The Double Agent gel is the most potent weapon we've come up with
yet. The energy is subtle, but subtle energies are decisive.
 
Think of it like this. A year ago today, 1 August, the bridge in Minneapolis
collapsed. I do not for a minute believe that it was a coincidence that this
happened on 1 August. That date is very special to the dark side, and they love
such dates as occasions for dirty deeds. There was some sort of dirty deed that
was to have been done on that date. I don't remember what it was now. If you go
back to my posting a year ago, you will see what I wrote then.
 
The energy was generated by the dark side and when it could not hit the
projected target, it hit the most vulnerable one. In this case, it was the
bridge.
 
Contrast that with today, August 1 a year later. A dull news day. If any of the
dark side had planned for an event, this would have been a perfect day for it.
Not only is it one of their high holy days, but there's a total solar eclipse in
other parts of the world. What an opportunity!
 
I've been monitoring NPR and the 'net all day. Just another day in paradise.
Dullsville. What does that tell you? What it tells me is that the work that we
have all done over the past year has just about made them impotent. I expected
to see Brezhinski make a move to oust Bush over this holiday. No palace coup. No
generated earthquakes. No hurricanes. No vaporized city.
 
But that's what I would do, with enough money to fund such an activity. Send out
one or two special agents to disrupt the dark side's plans. It's what all of us
have been doing already, but the temple walls are not falling fast enough for
me. As long as we're fantasizing on imaginary money, might as well make it a big
one!
 
What else? I'd find an incorruptible man or woman and run him or her for public
office. Governor, perhaps. Or the state senate. An Elliot Ness type of person.
 
There's more money left? I'd fund a crew of lawyers who would battle the system
to get people who have been railroaded into jail, out of jail. It can be done.
There's a man who teaches courses on how to do that. Look up Mike Brown
Solutions on the internet.
 
Anyhow, Robert, that's what I would do with my money. I see loads of people who
are selling gold and spreading fear and uncertainty. They want people to stash
their assets in gold so they can later recover them and continue life. That's
fine, if there's going to be a country to live in and fully express your being.
This time it is different. We're playing for all the marbles now. They want
nothing less than all of it, including my life and yours, too.
 
The people are being led to believe that what we are seeing now is just a speed
bump on the road of normality. Oh, no! This is it, folks.
 
Ain't nobody free until we're all free. You can hide your gold in the ground or
under your mattress. It doesn't matter. It is you that they want, and they want
you either dead or as a slave. What good is a stash of gold then?
 
Dragon
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




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Well Dragon,

this is a war, and not a single battle.

So in order to continue to fight, I need viable funds.

Gold & silver the only choices right now


Your rental idea might have a few merits, except the property values are still
falling, and local rents are related to property value/mortages.
So you might have a loser there,

Property will be cheap again in a few more years...

The system is manipulated to a point, they cannot alter the fundamentals of any
investment.

They cannot suddenly make the dollar healthy in spite of record deficits, 100
trillion in unfunded liabilities, 1.2 quadrillion in toxic derivatives, etc

they do small stuff, and at strategic times and places...

This is going to be the last summer you see $800.00 gold for a long long time,
maybe forever?

And you probably have another month or so of silver being under $20, then that
will be gone for good also.

you see TPTB cannot control all the "big forces" in play, like 1 Billlion
Indians who adore Gold bullion

or 1.3billion chinese who are almost now equal with India in gold purchases
yearly.

Asians and Europeans understand Gold, its only Americans who are ignorant of it.

Gold is going over $1200 this year

Silver will see $25 and likely $30 this year



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Al Gray
   To: Holistically Assisted Aerial Reclamation Project
   Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:17 PM
   Subject: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Re: Gold, etc....



   >>Dragon,

   these events are cyclical (inflations, stock bull or bear markets, etc)<<

   These events are cyclical because they are manipulatable. Anyone who invests
money in those things is playing someone else's game. The 'house' always wins.
The loss of 50% of the 1970 dollar's purchasing power over 30 years is an
illustration of that. I get back almost five times as much money as I had, which
will buy me half of what it did back then.

   What to do with your bundle of money? I can't tell you what others would do,
but for me, here's what I'd do if I won the lottery tomorrow.

   At nearly 70 years old and not of a materialistic nature, half of my life is
already over. So I'm not looking for a safe place for my retirement nest egg.

   Anyone with a sizeable amount of money, I'd tell them to go and buy some sort
of income producing property. A ranch, perhaps. An apartment building or trailer
park. That $100K you put into a trailer park will immediately begin to bring in
revenue. If the country holds together long enough, the income will pay off your
investment. You will get your $100K back, and still have at least that much in
value in the property. Even if you sign a quit claim deed and give it to your
wife, or a meteorite hits your apartment building and destroys it, you still
will have gotten back your initial investment.

   In a perfect world, you will be able to sell that trailer park and the money
you get from it, added to the revenue stream over 30 years, will equal or
surpass the rate of dollar inflation. You'll be ahead in terms of buying power.
You'll be able to buy as many gallons of gasoline then as you would now. Follow
me?

   With a million or two from the lottery, I would buy myself a modest spread
somewhere here in Texas. The rest of it I would use to promote what they call
ecological, or sustainable is the buzz word now, agriculture. Scholarships for
students who will involve themselves in that line of agriculture.

   http://www.acresusa.com/magazines/magazine.htm

   See link above.

   Now, keep in mind that my purpose in this life is to engage the dark side in
the struggle for control of planet earth. So, whatever I do, whether it is
funding ecological agriculture with lottery winnings, or turning towers into
Double Agents, or using mind power to burn out someone's cancer, it all is part
of the same struggle, expressed in different ways.

   Big payoff with the lottery? Got some money left? What I'd like to see done is
to promote the widespread use and acceptance of Royal Oil and our other
products. We take pain away. Pain that has been around for decades just goes
away or is sharply reduced.

   www.royaloil.org.

   On horses, we've had 100% success rate. There's a huge market in the horse
world alone, enough to make a man a millionaire many times over. And that's just
in the horse world market. With people, we've had about 90% success rate. People
are more complex and have belief systems that get in the way. Personality
issues, psychological issues, it's a mess. Still, we get 90%.

   I have a feeling that this is going to begin to take off on its own, without
lottery winnings, some time this year. Stay tuned.

   With virtually unlimited funding, I could underwrite the expenses of one or
two people who would travel the country, then the globe, and disrupt the plans
of the dark side. We're getting that done anyway, but I'm an impatient man when
it comes to that. The Double Agent gel is the most potent weapon we've come up
with yet. The energy is subtle, but subtle energies are decisive.

   Think of it like this. A year ago today, 1 August, the bridge in Minneapolis
collapsed. I do not for a minute believe that it was a coincidence that this
happened on 1 August. That date is very special to the dark side, and they love
such dates as occasions for dirty deeds. There was some sort of dirty deed that
was to have been done on that date. I don't remember what it was now. If you go
back to my posting a year ago, you will see what I wrote then.

   The energy was generated by the dark side and when it could not hit the
projected target, it hit the most vulnerable one. In this case, it was the
bridge.

   Contrast that with today, August 1 a year later. A dull news day. If any of
the dark side had planned for an event, this would have been a perfect day for
it. Not only is it one of their high holy days, but there's a total solar
eclipse in other parts of the world. What an opportunity!

   I've been monitoring NPR and the 'net all day. Just another day in paradise.
Dullsville. What does that tell you? What it tells me is that the work that we
have all done over the past year has just about made them impotent. I expected
to see Brezhinski make a move to oust Bush over this holiday. No palace coup. No
generated earthquakes. No hurricanes. No vaporized city.

   But that's what I would do, with enough money to fund such an activity. Send
out one or two special agents to disrupt the dark side's plans. It's what all of
us have been doing already, but the temple walls are not falling fast enough for
me. As long as we're fantasizing on imaginary money, might as well make it a big
one!

   What else? I'd find an incorruptible man or woman and run him or her for
public office. Governor, perhaps. Or the state senate. An Elliot Ness type of
person.

   There's more money left? I'd fund a crew of lawyers who would battle the
system to get people who have been railroaded into jail, out of jail. It can be
done. There's a man who teaches courses on how to do that. Look up Mike Brown
Solutions on the internet.

   Anyhow, Robert, that's what I would do with my money. I see loads of people
who are selling gold and spreading fear and uncertainty. They want people to
stash their assets in gold so they can later recover them and continue life.
That's fine, if there's going to be a country to live in and fully express your
being. This time it is different. We're playing for all the marbles now. They
want nothing less than all of it, including my life and yours, too.

   The people are being led to believe that what we are seeing now is just a
speed bump on the road of normality. Oh, no! This is it, folks.

   Ain't nobody free until we're all free. You can hide your gold in the ground
or under your mattress. It doesn't matter. It is you that they want, and they
want you either dead or as a slave. What good is a stash of gold then?

   Dragon





























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I think they should say "there will be no 9/11 or U.S.S. Liberty part 2"

good article, and checkout the comments.

lots of people are waking upto the zionist criminals

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/us-warns-israel-there-will-be-no-%E\
2%80%98uss-liberty-pt-ii%E2%80%99/

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----- Forwarded Message ----
From: geoff gardiner <libra1672003@...>
To: chemtrailtrackersaustralia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 2 August, 2008 1:17:21 PM
Subject: Fw: Fortress Australia !






----- Forwarded Message ----
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To: concernedaussiecit@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 2 August, 2008 1:16:43 PM
Subject: Fw: Fortress Australia !


Interesting!!!! Worthwhile read.Geoff



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To: thebrightpair@...
Sent: Sunday, 27 July, 2008 11:07:52 AM
Subject: Fw: Fortress Australia !






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Sent: Thursday, 24 July, 2008 5:51:31 PM
Subject: Fortress Australia !


Worth thaking a close look at this !
 
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All this was from a long ago dowse, electronic chimney, only 12 needed
to cover the earth. Never got any feedback. With no PODs but a high
haze as though PODs had been here, makes me suspicious that the
electronic chimney is operational; expecially recent reports from all
around USA of no PODs.

Philip N. Ledoux


--- In ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com, "ginnicus1" <ginnicus1@...>
wrote:
>
> However....I haven't heard anything about the "chimneys". Do you know
if
> they have, in fact, been put in place?
>
> Ginny (Friday, 08/01/08, 2:35pm PDT)

well put dragon!

--- On Fri, 8/1/08, Al Gray <captaindragonfarstar@...> wrote:

From: Al Gray <captaindragonfarstar@...>
Subject: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Gold And Silver, cont'd.......
To: "Holistically Assisted Aerial Reclamation Project"
<ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 5:43 PM






 
Gold and silver, especially gold, are promoted as stores of wealth. Some way to
keep your assets safe during perilous times. So if you have a bunch of dollar
bills and the future of the dollar appears uncertain, then one is advised to put
those dollars into gold. Security, safety, all that stuff.
 
O.K. Let's go back to Yves' illustration about gold and the fading dollar:
 
>>Had you invested $100,000 in 1970 in stocks, bonds etc.
Today your portfolio would be worlth less that $88,000.

Had you put 30% of gold in your portfolio, it would be worth
over $480,000 today.<<
 
My definition of 'a storehouse of value' and 'keeping my money safe' is that if
I have X number of dollar bills today, I want to be able to put them in a place
where I can come back in five, ten, thirty, years and at least be able to buy as
much as I could have before I stored them somewhere.
 
So, here we are in the 70s, and our hypothetical $100K would buy me 240,000
gallons of gasoline.
 
If I had put that 100K into the stock market, what a loser! I'd get less number
of dollars back. Yoicks! Should have bought lottery tickets.
 
But I'm smarter than that. I put 30% of that $100K in gold. Hot dog! Now, my
nest egg is worth $480,000 today. Sounds good, so far.
 
So I go out to buy gasoline with this humungous bundle of money. At $4 per
gallon, I can buy 120,000 gallons of gasoline. Half as much.
 
I put in $100K in 1970 dollars. Wait thirty years, and get back the equivalent
of $50K in 1970 dollars. Where's the safety and security and 'storehouse of
value' in that?
 
Dragon
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Doug Casey
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http://wideeyecinema.com/

HOW THE BIG U.S. HOUSING BAILOUT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO UNHINGE THE WORLD
FINANCIAL MARKETS, AND SEND THE U.S. DOLLAR DOWN...AND GOLD UP

Lawrence B Lindsey is the former assistant to the president for economic policy
and a respected economist with both an academic and consulting background.  Mr.
Lindsey wrote a big article for today's Wall Street Journal.  A link to the
article is below, but I would like to quote from the last two paragraphs of that
article.  He is speaking about the convoluted 700 page bill that will bail out
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

"The legislation also creates long-term uncertainty with regard to the extent
and form of government assistance. In effect, Treasury Secretary Paulson now has
an open-ended mandate to bail out the nation's troubled housing finance market,
the largest single capital market in the world.

If any other country announced that its finance minister could print unlimited
debt to do something similar, financial markets around the world would dump both
the country's debt and the country's currency. It may well be different because
this is the United States of America. But certainly, to take such a risky and
unprecedented step, a better crafted and considered piece of legislation should
have been created."



TO QUOTE MR. LINDSEY "IF ANY OTHER COUNTRY HAD ANNOUNCED THAT ITS FINANCE
MINISTER COULD PRINT UNLIMITED DEBT TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR, FINANCIAL MARKETS
AROUND THE WORLD WOULD DUMP BOTH THE COUNTRY'S DEBT AND THE COUNTRY'S CURRENCY"



For those who have not believed up until now that the U.S. would flood the world
market with currency, this is how the U.S. will create the inflation that will
send gold up and the dollar down.  Clearly, you cannot bail out the single
largest capital market on earth by printing money without creating:
          1) A much lower value for the U.S. dollar.
          2) A much higher price for gold.

You can see the entire article here:

 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121754567926302543.html?mod=opinion_main_comment\
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Thanks for the reply, Phil. I suspect you're probably correct about the
chimneys. Think I'll do some "snooping" on the subject. So many times it all
depends on the exact wording you use to "find" something,eh? I may know of
someone who might be aware of such things. I'll let you (& all) know if I turn
over the right rock and find something besides a Newt or Salamander.
 
Ginny (Saturday,08/02/08, 8:57am PDT)


--- On Fri, 8/1/08, oldmanfromnh <oldmanfromnh@...> wrote:

From: oldmanfromnh <oldmanfromnh@...>
Subject: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Re: Electronic Chimney/REPLY FROM GIN
To: ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 9:25 PM






All this was from a long ago dowse, electronic chimney, only 12 needed
to cover the earth. Never got any feedback. With no PODs but a high
haze as though PODs had been here, makes me suspicious that the
electronic chimney is operational; expecially recent reports from all
around USA of no PODs.

Philip N. Ledoux

--- In ricksgardeningtips@ yahoogroups. com, "ginnicus1" <ginnicus1@. ..>
wrote:
>
> However....I haven't heard anything about the "chimneys". Do you know
if
> they have, in fact, been put in place?
>
> Ginny (Friday, 08/01/08, 2:35pm PDT)


















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Young Chuck, moved to Texas and bought a donkey from a farmer for $100.00. The
farmer agreed to deliver the donkey the next day.
   The next day he drove up and said, 'Sorry son, but I have some bad news, the
donkey died.' Chuck replied, 'Well, then just give me my money back.'

   The farmer said, 'Can't do that. I went and spent it already.' Chuck said,
'Ok, then, just bring me the dead donkey.'

   The farmer asked, 'What ya gonna do with him?  Chuck said, 'I'm going to
raffle him off.'   The farmer said, 'You can't raffle off a dead donkey!'

   Chuck said, 'Sure I can.  Watch me. I just won't tell anybody he's dead.'
   A month later, the farmer met up with Chuck and asked, 'What happened with
that dead donkey?'

   Chuck said, 'I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at two dollars a piece and
made a profit of $898.00.'

   The farmer said, 'Didn't anyone complain?'
   Chuck said, 'Just the guy who won. So I gave him his two dollars back.'
   Chuck now works for the government.








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Hi Everyone,

I'm Lenny, from the Beyond Knowledge and Liverpool Chemtrail Groups on
Yahoo. I was part of the team which organised this years Beyond
Knowledge Conference in Liverpool, with speakers such as Jerry Smith,
Ian Crane and Ralph Ellis.
We are already working on next years conference, however we are
organising a one day chemtrail conference again in Liverpool, UK. I
just want to let people know in advance about this, as maybe some of
our members who live in the UK can make the meeting. I am currently
looking for a suitable venue, and once I have located it then we'll
have the date!
We have two speakers confirmed, plus there will be an opportunity for
members of the audience to speak. We are looking forward to meeting
other fellow chemtrail activists, as it'll give us an opportunity to
to build a database and maybe to plan further meetings. I can see this
being a regular event, so if anyone from the UK is interested they can
contact me.
I look forward to hearing from you.

Lenny

Yves,

No Thanks.  I can take normal discussions but that is not what you
presented me with.  I believe this group is not ready for what I have
to offer and you are a long ways away from being ready for it.  Go
back to your slumber.

Bill

--- In ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com, "Yves Vincent"
<yvesvincent@...> wrote:
>
> Oh Bill, I never meant to offend you nor embarass you at all.
> And I truly apologize if you feel I did for I truly value what
> you write.
>
> I can also discuss your beliefs since you post them publicly, can I?
> And you have to be able to accept other points of vue regarding
> your stand and belief, correct?
>
> And I can debate every word you say because you make important
> statements in your posts, and I want to discuss with you your
> point of vue by posting my vues on what you say.
>
> What's wrong with that?  That's what forums like this one is
> about!  I'm not picking on you.  I dissect what you say with a
> different view of it.  Now it that embarasses you, don't go posting
> personal beliefs and expose yourself to discussions about your
> way of life.  We're here to share beliefs.  This is a fluid forum.
>
> There's nothing wrong with your personal experience.  It has
> made you who you are becoming.  It's by exchanging points of
> vue that we grow and understand better.
>
> So please, hang around and speak your piece!  It's important
> what you have to say.  Yves
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
------------
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Bill
>   To: ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:17 PM
>   Subject: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Re: Prevent or Prepare for
martial law
>
>
>   Hi Yves,
>
>   I am afraid I am going to have to extract myself from this
>   discussion. You are just picking apart everything I am saying. I
>   believe what I believe and that is it. It is working for me and I
>   cannot complain at all. It seems to me Yves that you are trying to
>   embarass me here and say everything I have to say is full of crap.
>   Well if that is what you want to do go ahead and throw your rocks,
>   Yves I can take it. The light is the energy we put out in our
>   auras. Obviously you cannot see this yet. Most people cannot but
>   most can feel it. You are so obviously much more educated than us
>   Yves what would we do without you to keep us in our place?
>
>   Bill
>
>   --- In ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com, "Yves Vincent"
>   <yvesvincent@> wrote:
>   >
>   >
>   > > Hi Yves,
>   >
>   > Hi Bill,
>   >
>   > > Naturally actions will follow intentions if the person is
>   serious
>   > > about his intentions.
>   >
>   > Being serious about intentions does not automatically includes
>   action, Bill.
>   > Action lives in a different domain than intention.
>   >
>   > Action is a result of personal decisions. One can have
>   intentions and be serious
>   > about one's intentions without taking action.
>   >
>   > > I am extracting myself from the matrix as much as possible >to
>   lessen its control
>   > over my life.
>   >
>   > Can you explain how you are extracting yourself from the matrix
>   so that it has less
>   > control over your life...admitting here that the matrix is
>   controlling your life? It
>   > sounds good but practically, how does it look like?
>   >
>   > >This can be done in a million small and big ways. And some
>   require that the person
>   > be very brave.
>   >
>   > That's where action comes in. One does not need to be very brave
>   by spending time
>   > in one's quarters and have the utmost intentions to rid the
world
>   of evil. Bravery
>   > only comes in when one takes personal action to change the
reality
>   one's intentions
>   > are about.
>   >
>   > > But the very act of putting out good intentions and vibrating
>   >higher is also
>   > action. It is probably the most very important >action we as a
mass
>   can take.
>   >
>   > Sitting on one's meditating mattress putting out good intentions
>   and vibrating
>   > higher in just that! It is passive. It does not translate into a
>   person of action.
>   > Had the forefathers spent their time having good intentions
without
>   fighting the
>   > current situation they wanted to change would not have resulted
in
>   what they were
>   > able to accomplish.
>   >
>   > > That, like I said before, is what will change the world.
>   >
>   > No it won't! The world will change when people do individually
>   and collectively
>   > regardless of all the intentions in the world. The intention of
>   peace in the world
>   > will not change the wars we see. The intention of peace has not
>   stopped the hits on
>   > the towers in NY.
>   >
>   > > We can buck the system as much as we want but this intention
>   must be there.
>   >
>   > Just like we do here. We go out with DA and spray everything in
>   sight we can.
>   > Nothing will change if I stay in my quarters and intent to
>   alleviate and neutralise
>   > the harm the towers do. Only the action of going out and
spraying
>   makes the change
>   > occur. The intention is to neutralise the harm they do. But the
>   action of going out
>   > and spray is what makes the change we see. Not the intention.
>   The intention is the
>   > driving force behind wanting to create a change. But the action
of
>   going out and
>   > spray is what brings about change.
>   >
>   > > The light we put out is what will draw others into the fold.
>   >People will not be
>   > able to resist it.
>   >
>   > What is the light we put out Bill? What does it look like? Do
>   you go outside in
>   > your area beaming with light that others see causing inner
>   transformation in their
>   > being? Come on.
>   >
>   > How much light has been put out so far? How bright is
>   the "light" that people are
>   > not able to resist it? This sounds enlightened in words but the
>   reality of it is
>   > that... it just sounds good to say.
>   >
>   > It is good to be enlightened and "spread" the light... whatever
>   that means in real
>   > life... knowledge maybe?... and personal action perhaps to
>   instigate change? I lean
>   > more toward the latter. When I go out and spray, my intention is
>   to cancel the
>   > negative effects of what I'm spraying. I'm having an effect on
my
>   environment
>   > because I am taking action to change the reality. Just my intent
>   to change the
>   > negative effects is just that...my intention. It affects nothing
>   in the change that
>   > I want.
>   >
>   > > And mass consciousness is not some distant reality it is
>   happening now as I write
>   > this.
>   >
>   > Oh I agree with you here. There is a mass consciousness that is
>   growing. It is
>   > growing because people are searching for truth that they can't
find
>   in the usual
>   > domains of mainstream media lies and other crap. It is happening
>   because other
>   > people are taking action to bring about the change and it
spreads
>   out. They witness
>   > actions taken by others that brought change and they want to be
a
>   part of it.
>   >
>   > They are searching for truth that resonates with their inner
self.
>   > And when they find that truth, they take action to bring about
>   the change. It
>   > happened to all of us here.
>   >
>   > Intention is not action...intention is an idea of what is
>   wanted. That is done
>   > through personal insight, meditation and thinking and wishing.
>   >
>   > Results come from taking action to make the change. We live in a
>   physical world
>   > and it requires physical actions to bring about new realities in
>   the physical world.
>   >
>   > Mind can control energy only through its own intelligent
>   manipulation of the
>   > metamorphic potentials inherent in the mathematical level of the
>   causes and effects
>   > of the physical domains.
>   >
>   > And so, when we wish to modify physical reality, be it ourselves
>   or our
>   > environment, we suceeds to the extent that we have discovered
the
>   ways and means of
>   > anything material, save our own physical mechanism, with which
we
>   are inescapably
>   > linked.
>   >
>   > But through the intelligent use of the body mechanism, our mind
>   can create other
>   > mechanisms, even energy relationships and living relationships,
by
>   the utilisation of
>   > which our mind can increasingly control and even dominate its
>   physical level in the
>   > universe.
>   >
>   > Thank you Bill for bringing this subject on the table. Let's see
>   what we can do.
>   > Yves
>   >
>   > _____________________________________
>   > Bill
>   >
>   > --- In ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com, "Yves Vincent"
>   > <yvesvincent@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > Bill writes:
>   > >
>   > > > Personally I am prepared and becoming more prepared.
>   > > > But I am not doing this out of fear.
>   > >
>   > > That's correct thinking, Bill. It's not about fear. Fear shows
>   up
>   > > which is a natural human reaction. It's how one focuses on
>   > > higher frequecies of thinking that makes the difference.
>   > >
>   > > As more people think at a higher level, eventually we will
>   > > reach critical mass...and that's when all changes suddenly.
>   > >
>   > > The document I'm talking about is not fear based. It's based
>   > > on this man's personal experience in situations like what may
>   > > happen here. He seems to feel responsible to warn and prepare
>   > > people who live in denial of certain realities of life at
>   present.
>   > >
>   > > It could be life saving to know what he talks about.
>   > >
>   > > As you say, it's united intentions that is the true force and
>   that
>   > > is correct. However, it is not so now. Most people are in
denial
>   > > of reality...they are too busy to make ends meet to go there.
>   > > And most cannot fathom the fact that it comes from their own
>   > > government.
>   > >
>   > > I know. I deal with the public in the work I do, people from
all
>   > > over the world and I bring some of the situations to them and
>   > > with some, I find that they know what I'm talking about but
>   > > others, I see a blank look in their eyes and I notice their
body
>   > > language...they move back as they get uncomfortable. And so
>   > > I laugh and make a joke out of it.
>   > >
>   > > Although what you say is true about higher vibrations, it is
not
>   > > at this point in our life now. Yes I spend time visualising
>   > > harmony and growth and happiness and high level of spiritual
>   > > living, and I also live in the reality of the times.
>   > >
>   > > As I said to Mordok, high vibrational way of living did not
stop
>   > > what happened to the people in these towers in New York.
>   > >
>   > > High vibrational thinking has not altered the miserable life
of
>   > > the people in Iraq either. Yes, one day, high vibrational
>   thinking
>   > > will be the norm....it is just not so now. And so preparation
is
>   > > good...knowledge how to handle these critical situations is
good
>   > > and will keep us alive so we can continue to influence high
>   > > vibrational thinking in the world until we reach critical mass
>   level
>   > > where true change occurs simultaneously.
>   > >
>   > > Good will always have power over evil just as light has power
>   > > over darkness and never the other way around. But we live
>   > > in a time/space world and are bound by such reality. It will
>   > > take time before evil exhausts itself on this planet and so in
>   > > the meantime, we want to protect our loved ones as much as
>   > > possible.
>   > >
>   > > You have the wisdom to be prepared just in case. That's where
>   > > I'm coming from in posting this document.
>   > >
>   > > Yes intention is good but lest it is followed by action,
>   consistent
>   > > action, intention is just that....intention.
>   > >
>   > > The intention of the mass consciousness will not change or
>   prevent
>   > > things...only action will do that. The forefathers of your
>   country
>   > > had strong intentions but they followed up with some serious
>   action
>   > > to take down the evils of that time. We're at a similar
junction
>   > now.
>   > >
>   > > Yves
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > ----- Original Message -----
>   > > From: Bill
>   > > To: ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com
>   > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:06 PM
>   > > Subject: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Re: Prevent or Prepare for
>   > martial law
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Hi All,
>   > >
>   > > It is the intention of the mass consciousness that will change
>   or
>   > > prevent things. While everyones intentions is important. It is
>   our
>   > > intentions all added together that is a very powerful force.
>   Where
>   > > one or more are united in their intentions. When we are far
>   enough
>   > > along we will be able to manifest what we want or need in our
>   > lives
>   > > to bring in abundance.
>   > >
>   > > We can set our intentions without being prepared for martial
>   law.
>   > We
>   > > don't need to be prepared to focus our intention on the defeat
>   of
>   > the
>   > > cabal. It is the mass consciousness that will change all this.
>   > > Therefor my intentions added along with everyone else's
>   > intentions is
>   > > very powerful. That is what allows me to manifest only good
>   around
>   > > me. That also allows me to not be angry and feel like I need
to
>   be
>   > > at war with the cabal. The way I live my life will be their
>   > undoing
>   > > along with millions or billions of others. In a sense
resistance
>   > is
>   > > futile. What we will actually be doing is bringing ourselves
to
>   a
>   > > higher vibrational level. The dark will not be able to exist
in
>   > this
>   > > higher vibration because of it's very low vibration. In this
way
>   > > also some darkness will turn to the light.
>   > >
>   > > You say books or articles like this are not fear based but
they
>   > are.
>   > > Personally I am prepared and becoming more prepared. But I am
>   not
>   > > doing this out of fear.
>   > >
>   > > Bill
>   > > --- In ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com, "Yves Vincent"
>   > > <yvesvincent@> wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > That's ok Mordok.
>   > > >
>   > > > Every one handles these things differently. I hope he is
right
>   > > > and that he possesses a very high powered ability to focus
>   > > > "intention" effectively! It is not about fear, it is about
>   being
>   > > > prepared. As long as he is prepared then he can focus his
>   > > > intention to break the plan apart and difuse it properly.
>   > > >
>   > > > Ask your friend this: Has his intentions changed the price
of
>   > > > gasoline? Has his intentions prevented the people of Iraq
>   > > > from being killed and mamed by our soldiers?
>   > > >
>   > > > Did he fear that and so made it happened?
>   > > >
>   > > > Did he also feared that people would fly 747s in the WTC and
>   > > > so he made it happen too?
>   > > >
>   > > > Why didn't he used his power of intention then to stop it
>   > > > from happening.
>   > > >
>   > > > Your friend is correct in terms of intention but to totally
>   > > > negate the necessity to prepare in case of emergency is
>   > > > foolish. How is he going to prevent this from happening?
>   > > >
>   > > > Know that there will be people who will avoid all reality
>   > > > so to not alter their comfort zone. Your friend sounds a
>   > > > bit like that. Perhaps I'm wrong but I'll choose preparation
>   > > > along with intention anytime. Yves
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
>   > > ------------
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > ----- Original Message -----
>   > > > From: Mordok
>   > > > To: ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com
>   > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:52 PM
>   > > > Subject: Re: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Prevent or Prepare for
>   > > martial law
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > I offered the PDF book to a friend and asked if he wanted it
>   and
>   > > he made
>   > > > this reply:
>   > > > "No! I know 'their' intention. My intention, along with that
>   of
>   > > most of
>   > > > my friends, is to prevent it from happening! Being prepared
>   for
>   > > > disaster is inviting disaster. I refuse to live my life
based
>   on
>   > > what if
>   > > > this happens, what if that happens. What we fear, we create!
>   All
>   > > > thoughts, whether negative or positive are real energy and
>   they
>   > > create
>   > > > our reality."
>   > > >
>   > > > Mordok
>   > > >
>   > > > Mordok wrote:
>   > > > >
>   > > > > I would say nearly everyone here has the attitude that we
>   want
>   > > to
>   > > > > prevent martial law from happening. Does that preclude us
>   from
>   > > also
>   > > > > being prepared? Are these two things mutually exclusive?
>   > > > >
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Is that how enlightened people act?

Well, Bill, if this group is "not ready" for what you have to offer"
then perhaps you belong somewhere else...definitely not here.

You see, you have to be ready for this group...not the group ready
for you.  The majority of people on this group is doing the work.

No one is preaching anything...we're too damm busy spraying!!!

So get off the pedestal and come down with us and share what
you know.  It's more fun that withdrawal.  Yves


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   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Bill
   To: ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 9:25 PM
   Subject: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Re: Prevent or Prepare for martial law


   Yves,

   No Thanks. I can take normal discussions but that is not what you
   presented me with. I believe this group is not ready for what I have
   to offer and you are a long ways away from being ready for it. Go
   back to your slumber.

   Bill

   --- In ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com, "Yves Vincent"
   <yvesvincent@...> wrote:
   >
   > Oh Bill, I never meant to offend you nor embarass you at all.
   > And I truly apologize if you feel I did for I truly value what
   > you write.
   >
   > I can also discuss your beliefs since you post them publicly, can I?
   > And you have to be able to accept other points of vue regarding
   > your stand and belief, correct?
   >
   > And I can debate every word you say because you make important
   > statements in your posts, and I want to discuss with you your
   > point of vue by posting my vues on what you say.
   >
   > What's wrong with that? That's what forums like this one is
   > about! I'm not picking on you. I dissect what you say with a
   > different view of it. Now it that embarasses you, don't go posting
   > personal beliefs and expose yourself to discussions about your
   > way of life. We're here to share beliefs. This is a fluid forum.
   >
   > There's nothing wrong with your personal experience. It has
   > made you who you are becoming. It's by exchanging points of
   > vue that we grow and understand better.
   >
   > So please, hang around and speak your piece! It's important
   > what you have to say. Yves
   >
   >
   > ----------------------------------------------------------
   ------------
   >
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: Bill
   > To: ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:17 PM
   > Subject: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Re: Prevent or Prepare for
   martial law
   >
   >
   > Hi Yves,
   >
   > I am afraid I am going to have to extract myself from this
   > discussion. You are just picking apart everything I am saying. I
   > believe what I believe and that is it. It is working for me and I
   > cannot complain at all. It seems to me Yves that you are trying to
   > embarass me here and say everything I have to say is full of crap.
   > Well if that is what you want to do go ahead and throw your rocks,
   > Yves I can take it. The light is the energy we put out in our
   > auras. Obviously you cannot see this yet. Most people cannot but
   > most can feel it. You are so obviously much more educated than us
   > Yves what would we do without you to keep us in our place?
   >
   > Bill
   >
   > --- In ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com, "Yves Vincent"
   > <yvesvincent@> wrote:
   > >
   > >
   > > > Hi Yves,
   > >
   > > Hi Bill,
   > >
   > > > Naturally actions will follow intentions if the person is
   > serious
   > > > about his intentions.
   > >
   > > Being serious about intentions does not automatically includes
   > action, Bill.
   > > Action lives in a different domain than intention.
   > >
   > > Action is a result of personal decisions. One can have
   > intentions and be serious
   > > about one's intentions without taking action.
   > >
   > > > I am extracting myself from the matrix as much as possible >to
   > lessen its control
   > > over my life.
   > >
   > > Can you explain how you are extracting yourself from the matrix
   > so that it has less
   > > control over your life...admitting here that the matrix is
   > controlling your life? It
   > > sounds good but practically, how does it look like?
   > >
   > > >This can be done in a million small and big ways. And some
   > require that the person
   > > be very brave.
   > >
   > > That's where action comes in. One does not need to be very brave
   > by spending time
   > > in one's quarters and have the utmost intentions to rid the
   world
   > of evil. Bravery
   > > only comes in when one takes personal action to change the
   reality
   > one's intentions
   > > are about.
   > >
   > > > But the very act of putting out good intentions and vibrating
   > >higher is also
   > > action. It is probably the most very important >action we as a
   mass
   > can take.
   > >
   > > Sitting on one's meditating mattress putting out good intentions
   > and vibrating
   > > higher in just that! It is passive. It does not translate into a
   > person of action.
   > > Had the forefathers spent their time having good intentions
   without
   > fighting the
   > > current situation they wanted to change would not have resulted
   in
   > what they were
   > > able to accomplish.
   > >
   > > > That, like I said before, is what will change the world.
   > >
   > > No it won't! The world will change when people do individually
   > and collectively
   > > regardless of all the intentions in the world. The intention of
   > peace in the world
   > > will not change the wars we see. The intention of peace has not
   > stopped the hits on
   > > the towers in NY.
   > >
   > > > We can buck the system as much as we want but this intention
   > must be there.
   > >
   > > Just like we do here. We go out with DA and spray everything in
   > sight we can.
   > > Nothing will change if I stay in my quarters and intent to
   > alleviate and neutralise
   > > the harm the towers do. Only the action of going out and
   spraying
   > makes the change
   > > occur. The intention is to neutralise the harm they do. But the
   > action of going out
   > > and spray is what makes the change we see. Not the intention.
   > The intention is the
   > > driving force behind wanting to create a change. But the action
   of
   > going out and
   > > spray is what brings about change.
   > >
   > > > The light we put out is what will draw others into the fold.
   > >People will not be
   > > able to resist it.
   > >
   > > What is the light we put out Bill? What does it look like? Do
   > you go outside in
   > > your area beaming with light that others see causing inner
   > transformation in their
   > > being? Come on.
   > >
   > > How much light has been put out so far? How bright is
   > the "light" that people are
   > > not able to resist it? This sounds enlightened in words but the
   > reality of it is
   > > that... it just sounds good to say.
   > >
   > > It is good to be enlightened and "spread" the light... whatever
   > that means in real
   > > life... knowledge maybe?... and personal action perhaps to
   > instigate change? I lean
   > > more toward the latter. When I go out and spray, my intention is
   > to cancel the
   > > negative effects of what I'm spraying. I'm having an effect on
   my
   > environment
   > > because I am taking action to change the reality. Just my intent
   > to change the
   > > negative effects is just that...my intention. It affects nothing
   > in the change that
   > > I want.
   > >
   > > > And mass consciousness is not some distant reality it is
   > happening now as I write
   > > this.
   > >
   > > Oh I agree with you here. There is a mass consciousness that is
   > growing. It is
   > > growing because people are searching for truth that they can't
   find
   > in the usual
   > > domains of mainstream media lies and other crap. It is happening
   > because other
   > > people are taking action to bring about the change and it
   spreads
   > out. They witness
   > > actions taken by others that brought change and they want to be
   a
   > part of it.
   > >
   > > They are searching for truth that resonates with their inner
   self.
   > > And when they find that truth, they take action to bring about
   > the change. It
   > > happened to all of us here.
   > >
   > > Intention is not action...intention is an idea of what is
   > wanted. That is done
   > > through personal insight, meditation and thinking and wishing.
   > >
   > > Results come from taking action to make the change. We live in a
   > physical world
   > > and it requires physical actions to bring about new realities in
   > the physical world.
   > >
   > > Mind can control energy only through its own intelligent
   > manipulation of the
   > > metamorphic potentials inherent in the mathematical level of the
   > causes and effects
   > > of the physical domains.
   > >
   > > And so, when we wish to modify physical reality, be it ourselves
   > or our
   > > environment, we suceeds to the extent that we have discovered
   the
   > ways and means of
   > > anything material, save our own physical mechanism, with which
   we
   > are inescapably
   > > linked.
   > >
   > > But through the intelligent use of the body mechanism, our mind
   > can create other
   > > mechanisms, even energy relationships and living relationships,
   by
   > the utilisation of
   > > which our mind can increasingly control and even dominate its
   > physical level in the
   > > universe.
   > >
   > > Thank you Bill for bringing this subject on the table. Let's see
   > what we can do.
   > > Yves
   > >
   > > _____________________________________
   > > Bill
   > >
   > > --- In ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com, "Yves Vincent"
   > > <yvesvincent@> wrote:
   > > >
   > > > Bill writes:
   > > >
   > > > > Personally I am prepared and becoming more prepared.
   > > > > But I am not doing this out of fear.
   > > >
   > > > That's correct thinking, Bill. It's not about fear. Fear shows
   > up
   > > > which is a natural human reaction. It's how one focuses on
   > > > higher frequecies of thinking that makes the difference.
   > > >
   > > > As more people think at a higher level, eventually we will
   > > > reach critical mass...and that's when all changes suddenly.
   > > >
   > > > The document I'm talking about is not fear based. It's based
   > > > on this man's personal experience in situations like what may
   > > > happen here. He seems to feel responsible to warn and prepare
   > > > people who live in denial of certain realities of life at
   > present.
   > > >
   > > > It could be life saving to know what he talks about.
   > > >
   > > > As you say, it's united intentions that is the true force and
   > that
   > > > is correct. However, it is not so now. Most people are in
   denial
   > > > of reality...they are too busy to make ends meet to go there.
   > > > And most cannot fathom the fact that it comes from their own
   > > > government.
   > > >
   > > > I know. I deal with the public in the work I do, people from
   all
   > > > over the world and I bring some of the situations to them and
   > > > with some, I find that they know what I'm talking about but
   > > > others, I see a blank look in their eyes and I notice their
   body
   > > > language...they move back as they get uncomfortable. And so
   > > > I laugh and make a joke out of it.
   > > >
   > > > Although what you say is true about higher vibrations, it is
   not
   > > > at this point in our life now. Yes I spend time visualising
   > > > harmony and growth and happiness and high level of spiritual
   > > > living, and I also live in the reality of the times.
   > > >
   > > > As I said to Mordok, high vibrational way of living did not
   stop
   > > > what happened to the people in these towers in New York.
   > > >
   > > > High vibrational thinking has not altered the miserable life
   of
   > > > the people in Iraq either. Yes, one day, high vibrational
   > thinking
   > > > will be the norm....it is just not so now. And so preparation
   is
   > > > good...knowledge how to handle these critical situations is
   good
   > > > and will keep us alive so we can continue to influence high
   > > > vibrational thinking in the world until we reach critical mass
   > level
   > > > where true change occurs simultaneously.
   > > >
   > > > Good will always have power over evil just as light has power
   > > > over darkness and never the other way around. But we live
   > > > in a time/space world and are bound by such reality. It will
   > > > take time before evil exhausts itself on this planet and so in
   > > > the meantime, we want to protect our loved ones as much as
   > > > possible.
   > > >
   > > > You have the wisdom to be prepared just in case. That's where
   > > > I'm coming from in posting this document.
   > > >
   > > > Yes intention is good but lest it is followed by action,
   > consistent
   > > > action, intention is just that....intention.
   > > >
   > > > The intention of the mass consciousness will not change or
   > prevent
   > > > things...only action will do that. The forefathers of your
   > country
   > > > had strong intentions but they followed up with some serious
   > action
   > > > to take down the evils of that time. We're at a similar
   junction
   > > now.
   > > >
   > > > Yves
   > > >
   > > >
   > > > ----- Original Message -----
   > > > From: Bill
   > > > To: ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com
   > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:06 PM
   > > > Subject: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Re: Prevent or Prepare for
   > > martial law
   > > >
   > > >
   > > > Hi All,
   > > >
   > > > It is the intention of the mass consciousness that will change
   > or
   > > > prevent things. While everyones intentions is important. It is
   > our
   > > > intentions all added together that is a very powerful force.
   > Where
   > > > one or more are united in their intentions. When we are far
   > enough
   > > > along we will be able to manifest what we want or need in our
   > > lives
   > > > to bring in abundance.
   > > >
   > > > We can set our intentions without being prepared for martial
   > law.
   > > We
   > > > don't need to be prepared to focus our intention on the defeat
   > of
   > > the
   > > > cabal. It is the mass consciousness that will change all this.
   > > > Therefor my intentions added along with everyone else's
   > > intentions is
   > > > very powerful. That is what allows me to manifest only good
   > around
   > > > me. That also allows me to not be angry and feel like I need
   to
   > be
   > > > at war with the cabal. The way I live my life will be their
   > > undoing
   > > > along with millions or billions of others. In a sense
   resistance
   > > is
   > > > futile. What we will actually be doing is bringing ourselves
   to
   > a
   > > > higher vibrational level. The dark will not be able to exist
   in
   > > this
   > > > higher vibration because of it's very low vibration. In this
   way
   > > > also some darkness will turn to the light.
   > > >
   > > > You say books or articles like this are not fear based but
   they
   > > are.
   > > > Personally I am prepared and becoming more prepared. But I am
   > not
   > > > doing this out of fear.
   > > >
   > > > Bill
   > > > --- In ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com, "Yves Vincent"
   > > > <yvesvincent@> wrote:
   > > > >
   > > > > That's ok Mordok.
   > > > >
   > > > > Every one handles these things differently. I hope he is
   right
   > > > > and that he possesses a very high powered ability to focus
   > > > > "intention" effectively! It is not about fear, it is about
   > being
   > > > > prepared. As long as he is prepared then he can focus his
   > > > > intention to break the plan apart and difuse it properly.
   > > > >
   > > > > Ask your friend this: Has his intentions changed the price
   of
   > > > > gasoline? Has his intentions prevented the people of Iraq
   > > > > from being killed and mamed by our soldiers?
   > > > >
   > > > > Did he fear that and so made it happened?
   > > > >
   > > > > Did he also feared that people would fly 747s in the WTC and
   > > > > so he made it happen too?
   > > > >
   > > > > Why didn't he used his power of intention then to stop it
   > > > > from happening.
   > > > >
   > > > > Your friend is correct in terms of intention but to totally
   > > > > negate the necessity to prepare in case of emergency is
   > > > > foolish. How is he going to prevent this from happening?
   > > > >
   > > > > Know that there will be people who will avoid all reality
   > > > > so to not alter their comfort zone. Your friend sounds a
   > > > > bit like that. Perhaps I'm wrong but I'll choose preparation
   > > > > along with intention anytime. Yves
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
   > > > ------------
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > > > ----- Original Message -----
   > > > > From: Mordok
   > > > > To: ricksgardeningtips@yahoogroups.com
   > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:52 PM
   > > > > Subject: Re: [Rick's Gardening Tips] Prevent or Prepare for
   > > > martial law
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > > > I offered the PDF book to a friend and asked if he wanted it
   > and
   > > > he made
   > > > > this reply:
   > > > > "No! I know 'their' intention. My intention, along with that
   > of
   > > > most of
   > > > > my friends, is to prevent it from happening! Being prepared
   > for
   > > > > disaster is inviting disaster. I refuse to live my life
   based
   > on
   > > > what if
   > > > > this happens, what if that happens. What we fear, we create!
   > All
   > > > > thoughts, whether negative or positive are real energy and
   > they
   > > > create
   > > > > our reality."
   > > > >
   > > > > Mordok
   > > > >
   > > > > Mordok wrote:
   > > > > >
   > > > > > I would say nearly everyone here has the attitude that we
   > want
   > > > to
   > > > > > prevent martial law from happening. Does that preclude us
   > from
   > > > also
   > > > > > being prepared? Are these two things mutually exclusive?
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Mordok
   > > > > >
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   > > > >
   > > > >
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