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Re: Artificial Star Question

--- In roddier@yahoogroups.com, "zeissnut" <grzincic@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> I'm trying to follow along the numbers in these recent
> posts. Couple random questions....
>
> So you are doing interferometry at the radius of curvature,
> which gives a large spherical error, and then manually
> correcting or "nulling" out the spherical due to the
> set up. OK, got it. What are the units on the
> interferometry "Pri Spheric -0.625" in message #673?
> Is it waves PTV, RMS, on the wavefront, on the surface, etc.?
>

Dr. Biretta - sorry for any confusion about some of these details.

All the Zernike coefficients displayed by OpenFringe are normalized,i.e., an
error magnitude in nanometers divided by the program's reference wavelength of
550 nm. The Pri Sph then needs the manipulations discussed in post #677 to
obtain a value used in calculating rms and Strehl. Each coeff should be rms
error at the surface. Overall rms is obtained by squaring each coeff, dividing
by a squared scaling factor, summing the values, taking the square root, and
then correcting for actual laser WL to ref WL (550 nm).

> I am always a little nervous when the corrections are
> 10 or 20 times bigger than the thing we are trying
> to measure. But I guess there is no way around it.
> Unless you can come up with a big flat mirror to test
> against, or something like that.
>

One of the advantages of Bath interferometry is that it doesn't need a reference
flat. It's also a "common path" system: both stimulus and response light beams
travel essentially the same spatial path, greatly reducing air turbulence
effects.

> If I just put a ruler on one of your sample igrams,
> the error is about 2 fringes or 2 waves PTV on the
> wavefront (at center of curvature). Does that sound
> about right? Or is there a factor of two missing somewhere?
>

The Bath test is a "1-pass" (or single refection) test, at least as I performed
it, so the fringe spacing is 1 wavelength bright-bright or dark-dark. Or am I
answering the wrong question?

> Back to Roddier. What camera / pixel scale / filter
> did you use again? This is the 10 inch F/6 mirror?
> What is the exact focal length?
>
> - John B.
>

The camera used was/is a Philips ToUCam Pro 840K; the pixels are 5.6 umeter
square; the camera has a built-in IR filter which is all I use with the
Newt/mirror. The igrams were obtained with lasers of 635 nm and 650 nm
wavelength; 650 nm tests were slightly more optimistic.

The mirror is 10 inches, virtually exactly 254 mm in diameter, nominal f/6. The
exact FL is 60.125 inches, 1527 mm.

Thanks for the continued interest in this.

Mick Hollimon
13 June 09
9:43 AM PDT USA




Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:42 pm

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Hello Group, I am trying the Roddier software on images from my 13" F4 Newtonian. So far I get a crash when I try to open the images. Images are edited in...
drgert1
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May 14, 2009
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... Gert - I suggest downloading IRIS (freeware) and, after processing and saving (presumably as .FIT) in AstroArt, load into IRIS and immediately save as...
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Group - here is a hopefully interesting question for the collective wisdom: Background: I have been actively considering the construction of an "indoor...
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Jun 6, 2009
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Hi, Keeping in mind that I haven't done anything with Roddier : - Can the 2120 be set up on something like Polaris and have it's SA characterized by Roddier?...
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... From: m_hollimon To: roddier@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: [roddier] Artificial Star Question Group - here is a hopefully...
Ron Watson
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Hi Mick, This is a very good question. I have done alot of visual star testing and some Roddier in this mode using a scope as a collimator to provide an...
zeissnut
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Jun 7, 2009
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... Dr. Biretta - it's certainly good to hear from you again; hope the WFPC3 begins to work well soon. Of course I was much afraid the above would be the...
m_hollimon
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... Hi Mick, First, I have enjoyed reading your posts over the months detailing your experience with Roddier. John Biretta and I often observe together and...
Paul Leuba
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Jun 9, 2009
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... Mr. Leuba - thanks much for the encouragement. The impetus in all this is not to attack or demean Roddier but to try to get Roddier and interferometry to...
m_hollimon
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Jun 9, 2009
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... Hi Mick, I tried to get a quick look at your earlier results on SA. One interesting item I noticed is that Roddier and your interferometry seem to roughly...
zeissnut
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Jun 10, 2009
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... Dr. Biretta - thanks much for the examination of some of the previous test results. I am going to carefully re-examine the later test stuff (T6, T7, T8)...
m_hollimon
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Jun 10, 2009
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Hi Mick, ... I had just looked at the first of the T6 results you had. If I isolate the spherical term, using the check boxes in Roddier 0.4 / Front d'onde /...
zeissnut
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Jun 10, 2009
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... Dr. Biretta - thanks again for the quick look. Armed with improved insights (as a result of your quick look at T6/0DegA), I reexamined said image pair...
m_hollimon
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Jun 10, 2009
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Dr. Biretta - in all the blather of post #673 I completely forgot to ask an important question: In the table of Zernike coefficients from Roddier, the bottom...
m_hollimon
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Jun 10, 2009
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... These are the higher-order aberrations or residuals after the other listed Zernikes are subtracted off. It will contain narrow zones, edge effects, bumps,...
zeissnut
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Jun 10, 2009
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... Dr. Biretta - thanks, I understand. Peculiar that I get a 0.02-0.04 Strehl improvement by turning them off; the mirror shouldn't have much roughness...
m_hollimon
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Jun 11, 2009
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Dr. Biretta/Group - A careful further examination of the data in the comparison table of post # 673, plus some investigation into how the performance numbers...
m_hollimon
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Jun 12, 2009
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Hi Mick, I'm trying to follow along the numbers in these recent posts. Couple random questions.... So you are doing interferometry at the radius of curvature,...
zeissnut
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Jun 12, 2009
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... Dr. Biretta - sorry for any confusion about some of these details. All the Zernike coefficients displayed by OpenFringe are normalized,i.e., an error...
m_hollimon
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Jun 13, 2009
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... The above mods have been completed and a set of Roddier images (Test 9) obtained and analyzed using Vega as the target star. ... A "fanatically careful"...
m_hollimon
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Jul 21, 2009
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Only a point. I used Vega last year for Roddier test of a Klevstov-Cassegrain (TAL 250K). In my conclusion, it's too bright for a correct testing (I also...
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Sep 1, 2009
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... Oscar - an interesting point. Seems like this effect would also modify results for refractors but they generally test closer to expectations. Curious. I...
m_hollimon
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Group - in post #680 I raised two questions about the interaction between camera sensor chip orientation and Roddier analysis results. I have so far found no...
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