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Re: [RSS-DEV] Re: (Motion) rdf:about for channel

Eric van der Vlist <vdv@...> writes:

> What is sure is that:
>
> 1) per RDF semantic, rdf:about is used as an identifier for the channel.
> 2) per RSS 0.9x usage, the link element is a URL (or URI) pointing on an
> existing page which can be visualized for a human being.
>
> Therefor, I don't think these 2 values should be equals since they are
> not referring to the same resources or objects (a channel in one case, a
> page in the other one) and this would be confusing if we wanted to
> describe the page itself in the same rdf database.
>
> IMHO, a good practice would be to use a URL where the RSS feed can
> usually be found as rdf:about.
>
> There are exceptions, though and I don't think we should make a firm
> rule about this, but only a "best practice" advise.
>
> These exceptions are, for instance, sites building dynamics RSS feeds
> depending on sessions variables for which you can't provide a URI which
> will return the same feed (but will still have to assign an identifier
> to the channel).

To summarize what I think I've heard said, and put that in to terms I
think most important for RSS 1.0, then:

* the explicit connection between <link> and rdf:about should be
undone, so that at some time in the future they can be used
seperately.

* the only hard requirement, at this time, for rdf:about is that it
be unique, globally (for items, channels, and might as well be for
images and textinputs)

* <link>, therefore, need not be unique (as some existing uses have
shown)

* recommended current practice is to copy <link> (<url>) to rdf:about
iff it is unique, and otherwise to create a unique URI for
rdf:about.

* any more specific definition of rdf:about, at this time, is
unspecified

I believe I've also read that some think channel rdf:about should
point to the RSS file, and I'd like to give a counter-argument for
that: I would like to see the channel rdf:about to uniquely identify
the *channel*, where there might be several versions of RSS, other
site summary, topic maps, etc. that may also describe that channel.
As such, there may (to be determined later) be statements that could
be made about a channel that provide links to these other resources.

"Uniquely identify the channel" (rdf:about) can mean the site URL if
there's effectively only one channel to the site, a channel URL/URI if
there's multiple channels to the site, or a virtual or query URI if
this is a manufactured channel.

Am I close?

-- Ken



Fri Oct 20, 2000 12:49 pm

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Hi. Looking at the RSS 0.9 spec [1], I noticed that it doesn't use rdf:about or rdf:ID on any of it's descriptions. Therefore, each RSS 0.9 file is NOT ...
Jason Diamond
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Oct 17, 2000
4:28 pm

This issue is more difficult than it seems. We're making RDF assertions, that much is clear. The question then becomes about what. If we make them about items...
Aaron Swartz
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Oct 17, 2000
11:14 pm

... When we are making assertions about 'items' it is fine to use the URL of the item in the rdf:about, because we are describing a particular Web resource at...
Andy Powell
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Oct 18, 2000
11:09 pm

... Agreed, for 1.0 I believe we should set rdf:about for the channel to "" and look towards a URI representation in a later version. This usage of "" is valid...
Aaron Swartz
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Oct 19, 2000
8:32 pm

Hi Aaron, ... Yes, I have ;) While I agree that a good practice would be to set this attribute to a URI where you can usually find the channel, I don't think...
Eric van der Vlist
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Oct 19, 2000
9:16 pm

Due to the good points brought up by Eric and Dan (thanks guys!) I'd like to try proposing the opposite: The rdf:about attribute of the channel element is a...
Aaron Swartz
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Oct 19, 2000
10:44 pm

... I'd much prefer an absolute URI, so that apps can ship the channel data around in text format without having to ship a bunch of 'where I found this'...
Dan Brickley
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Oct 19, 2000
9:50 pm

... Yes (I think, I'm just rereading the recent articles on this while updating the issues page). I don't recall us concluding that we're breaking the...
Ken MacLeod
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Oct 19, 2000
11:03 pm

... I was just re-reading the spec on this point, and things are very unclear. First, the channel element only says "The {resource} URL of the channel ...
Aaron Swartz
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Oct 19, 2000
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What is sure is that: 1) per RDF semantic, rdf:about is used as an identifier for the channel. 2) per RSS 0.9x usage, the link element is a URL (or URI)...
Eric van der Vlist
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Oct 20, 2000
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... To summarize what I think I've heard said, and put that in to terms I think most important for RSS 1.0, then: * the explicit connection between <link> and...
Ken MacLeod
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Oct 20, 2000
12:49 pm

... I find it a good summary. Eric ... -- ... Eric van der Vlist Dyomedea http://dyomedea.com http://xmlfr.org http://4xt.org...
Eric van der Vlist
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Oct 20, 2000
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... <http://www.egroups.com/message/rss-dev/1006> ... If this solves the immediate need, then the next step is to word it as specific changes to the spec, and...
Ken MacLeod
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Oct 20, 2000
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... Before writing these up as spec changes, I'd like to see a poll and perhaps even a vote on the issue. I was under the impression that there might be some...
Aaron Swartz
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Oct 20, 2000
6:34 pm

... No problem, the poll's been seconded (and now thirded :-). I believe we have determined, though the poll will surely help, that there is considerable...
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Oct 20, 2000
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