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RSS 1.0 Release Candidate 1 (DRAFT)   Message List  
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RE: [RSS-DEV] RSS 1.0 Release Candidate 1 (DRAFT)

(I am sending this to RSS-DEV and to Syndication in
hope of resolving the naming issue once and for all).

My stance is that what is now known as RSS 1.0 needs a
new name. It could have an "R" in it to recursively flag
its RSS heritage, but versioning the RSS brand is a very
poor way to show the outside world that there are really
two distinct efforts here. It will only lead to confusion.

The (very small) marketing side of me says that two distinct
names are going to each have better brand recognition than
a single name qualified with something that denotes two
different approaches to solving some of the same problems.

I'll suggest some names (only half tongue in cheek) for
RSS 1.0:

RDR - RSS Done Right
RWN - RSS With Namespaces
RTX - RSS That's eXtensible
RNR - RSS 0.9 is Not RSS 1.0
RDN - RSS With Different Name

I'm sure you all can do much better.

It is not an option to rename RSS 0.9x. People already
call it RSS and I see no reason to suddenly make their
statements ambiguous.

Jeff;

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken MacLeod [mailto:ken@...]
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 9:45 PM
To: rss-dev@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [RSS-DEV] RSS 1.0 Release Candidate 1 (DRAFT)


"Jeff Barr" <jeff@...> writes:

> [Seth Russell writes:]
>
> > David King wrote:
> >
> > > Is anybody besides me concerned that the name of the standard
> > > was left up in the air? There was some discussion on the
> > > subject and even a poll (which had American-like voter turn
> > > out). However, the WG members as a whole never took a step up
> > > to definitively say what the name will/should be from here on
> > > out. I think something needs to be done prior to _any_ release.
> > > A WG vote or even a statement from the entire WG with their
> > > reasons for the selected name would be nice.
> >
> > I share this concern. It's beginning to look like the WG members
> > want just to sweep this issue under the table ... wish only that
> > it should go away. Well I for one think that sucks!
>
> I strongly encourage "you guys" (the WG) to come up with a good name
> for this before you release it. Once the cat is out of the bag in
> the form of a final spec there will be no further opportunity to
> change it. Without reopening the debate, it is only fair to all
> parties to adopt a new name instead of generating confusion
> byissuing something new called RSS.

It would be useful information to know where "you guys" (that would be
the IG and larger RSS community) stand on the proposal for both specs
keeping the RSS name and adopting version or branch names. Sort of
like "Jeep" is the name of that boxy four-wheel-drive vehicle and
"Wrangler", "CJ-5", and "CJ-7" are the model names of various
versions.

-- Ken

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Howdy Folks, Well, since our final open issue is currently under vote, I thought it high time to start preparing for the impending release of RSS 1.0. I've: *...
Rael Dornfest
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... Great work ! ... Some comments then... I) main spec [1]: 5. Core Syntax, chapter "Notation:" ... I would suggest to add a line about element order not...
Eric van der Vlist
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... +1 ... For backwards compatibility with 0.9 (which required the use of the rdf prefix to be compatible with non-namespace-aware parsers) we must force this...
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Nov 6, 2000
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Howdy, ... Done (though not yet online). Rael...
Rael Dornfest
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Is anybody besides me concerned that the name of the standard was left up in the air? There was some discussion on the subject and even a poll (which had...
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Nov 6, 2000
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... I don't believe any WG member ever raised it as an issue. In the absence of objection, we will go ahead with the 1.0 name as we always have, because we ...
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... I completely disagree with this approach. Creating confusion and then dealing with it seems backwards to me, but if that's what the group wants to...
David King
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... Do really need to keep this one ? We've already given up the restriction to "the full ASCII character set, as well as all legal decimal and HTML entities"...
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... Is there a pressing reason why we shouldn't? I really can't see where it would be a serious problem.... Do you have a specific instance in mind? ... Yes,...
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Howdy, ... I'll say that its advised if you want to be 0.9 backward-compatible. Any objections? Rael ... Rael Dornfest rael@... ...
Rael Dornfest
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... No. I have to admit it's mostly an aesthetically issue. But I think it sucks if we can have 2 documents that should be considered as equivalent according...
Eric van der Vlist
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... I assume you mean PCDATA, because if they are in a CDATA, they should be assumed as plain text. Even so, if this is true it is important to note this so...
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... Likely the release of 1.0 will include an announcement of some type which be a good place to clear up confusion about the two threads of evolution. What...
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... I share this concern. It's beginning to look like the WG members want just to sweep this issue under the table ... wish only that it should go away. Well...
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Hi, I strongly encourage "you guys" (the WG) to come up with a good name for this before you release it. Once the cat is out of the bag in the form of a final...
Jeff Barr
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... It would be useful information to know where "you guys" (that would be the IG and larger RSS community) stand on the proposal for both specs keeping the...
Ken MacLeod
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Nov 7, 2000
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(I am sending this to RSS-DEV and to Syndication in hope of resolving the naming issue once and for all). My stance is that what is now known as RSS 1.0 needs...
Jeff Barr
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Nov 7, 2000
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... People already do the same thing about 1.0. I see no reason to make _their_ statements ambiguous. People keep acting like RSS 1.0 is nothing like RSS 0.9x...
Aaron Swartz
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Nov 7, 2000
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I'm really suprised to be having this discussion over again. This message is rather long, and contains a number of excerpts from ancient RSS history that I was...
Dan Brickley
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Nov 7, 2000
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... Well maybe that should tell you there is still a real problem. Look, this thing is past the point of justifications being important. Im sure your...
Seth Russell
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Nov 7, 2000
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... I'm opposed to this - it creates unneeded confusion. As well as that, what happens in X years time when Netscape/AOL realises what's happened and decides...
Nick Lothian
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Nov 7, 2000
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Might as well de-lurk, because it's 3am. I've been following this since the middle of August, and it seems like the name issue comes up once every month. I...
Chase Tingley
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Nov 7, 2000
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... That's exactly my point. I think we should specify in the spec that elements and attributes from other namespaces can be added everywhere, even in modules...
Eric van der Vlist
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Nov 7, 2000
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... Thats fine by me - so long as its clear that this can take place then we should be OK. My initial quibble was that the models for the core elements are...
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Howdy, ... So what would you write, then? Suggestions welcome ;-) Rael ... Rael Dornfest rael@... Maven,...
Rael Dornfest
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Nov 9, 2000
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... I'm sorry, but I don't see how we can do this as Eric suggests, and still maintain RDF compatibility. The following example would be incompatible with RDF...
Aaron Swartz
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... change that to ... Content Model: ANY Which is the current thinking I believe. IOW, you can't guarantee what you're going to get in any of those elements ...
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