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Re: mod_threading and representing email lists [Was: Re: [RSS-DEV] Process: Extending the WG]

Hi

I have been thinking about representing email archive metadata in RSS
and was wondering if something like a mod_email might make sense:

| Email Header | Element
-----------------------+--------------------------
| Received: | <email:received>
| Date: | <dcterms:created>
| From: | <dc:creator>
| To: | <email:to>
| Subject: | <title>
| Message-ID: | <email:message-id>
| Mime-Version: | <email:mime-versionm>
| Content-Type: | <dc:format>
| Content-Disposition: | <email:content-disposition>

Or perhaps a totally direct mapping:

| Email Header | Element
-----------------------+--------------------------
| Received: | <email:Received>
| Date: | <email:Date>
| From: | <email:From>
| To: | <email:To>
| Subject: | <email:Subject>
| Message-ID: | <email:Message-ID>
| Mime-Version: | <email:Mime-Versionm>
| Content-Type: | <email:Content-Type>
| Content-Disposition: | <email:content-disposition>


Chris

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Wed Aug 21, 2002 7:08 pm

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Hi IMHO the W3C list archive is one of the best web list archives and also having RSS feeds would be very cool :-) ... And it would also need mod_threading to...
Chris Croome
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Aug 19, 2002
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Hi I have been thinking about representing email archive metadata in RSS ... Chris -- Chris Croome <chris@...> ...
Chris Croome
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... Hash: SHA1 ... dc:title ? ... <snip/> Also... use mod_content for the message body... ... Kevin - -- Kevin A. Burton ( burton@...,...
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Hi Kevin pointed out that perhaps mapping a email Subject: to a RSS <title> might be better mapped to <dc:title>. Generalising this question a bit, how should...
Chris Croome
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Aug 22, 2002
10:34 am

... [snip] ... I would go something like: <item ...> <title>Foo : Bar : Baz</title> <dc:title xml:lang="en">Baz<dc:title> <dc:title...
Jon Hanna
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Aug 22, 2002
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Hi ... I'm doing this: <item ...> <title>Baz</title> <dc:title>Baz<dc:title> <dcq:alternative>Foo: Bar : Baz</dcq:alternative> </item> Because I don't want...
Chris Croome
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Aug 22, 2002
11:40 am

... Ah ha! I was thinking of more generaly purpose get-the-best-possible-RSS-from-arbitrary-HTML. In a case like yours I would generally build the RSS from the...
Jon Hanna
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Aug 22, 2002
11:47 am

As an aside, the RSS export from this lists Yahoo group *really* got hosed in Radio. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/messages?rss=1&viscount=15 Can we...
Bill Kearney
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Aug 22, 2002
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... So the same lot who were changing "medieval" to "medireview" in an attempt to prevent XSS attacks don't translate < to &lt; when they put it into an XML...
Jon Hanna
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Aug 22, 2002
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... Without inflaming the rhetoric about it, yes, that's correct. It's a tricky issue in that the specs are unclear on what's *truly* legal for use inside an...
Bill Kearney
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Aug 22, 2002
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... I totally agree. I'm looking at newsreaders for mobile devices, with no built-in HTML understanding whatsoever, and markup of any sort within these fields...
Ben Hammersley
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Aug 22, 2002
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... The Specs are perfectly clear: From http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/files/specification.html#s5.3.1 5.3.1 <title> A descriptive title for the...
Jon Hanna
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Aug 22, 2002
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... I think the original RSS feed came about thru this thread on the FoRK list: http://www.xent.com/FoRK-archive/april00/0808.html ...though this was before...
Dan Brickley
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Aug 22, 2002
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... I think I'd prefer the latter, but using RDFS to define the new predicates as subproperties of the former where appropriate, e.g. <rdf:Property ID="date"> ...
Jon Hanna
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Hi ... Is it possible to use RDFS to say that they are equal rather than one is a sub property of the other? ... Yes, I wasn't at all sure about this. Happy to...
Chris Croome
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Aug 22, 2002
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... The rule against circular subproperties has been droped so you could do: <rdf:Property ID="date"> <rdfs:label lang="en">Date</rdfs:label> <rdfs:comment...
Jon Hanna
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From: "Jon Hanna" <jon@...> ... Do you know of any RDF *parser* which actually makes this kind of inference? I didn't think that making inferences is even...
Seth Russell
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Aug 22, 2002
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... Eh, yep, sorry. That should have read "processor" rather than parser. My bad....
Jon Hanna
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From: "Jon Hanna" <jon@...> ... Well that said, then we know that any change from the exact properties as they appear in the in the original emails is...
Seth Russell
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Aug 22, 2002
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... [snip] ... The utility of that extra processing depends on whatever is doing the extra processing. Remember my suggestion *is* the "totally direct mapping"...
Jon Hanna
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From: "Jon Hanna" <jon@...> ... Ok, I'm happy :) ... and I'm wishing for a Python module that would yield a RDF file of my emails with your the "totally...
Seth Russell
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Aug 22, 2002
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... Well if it was me, rather than Chris who started this thread, then I would probably use the archive URI as the URI in the about (your example is invalid...
Jon Hanna
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Aug 22, 2002
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Hi ... Yes, I was thinking of doing exactly that, however I got distracted and spent the last hour working on the mod_dcterms -- I'll try and get a draft...
Chris Croome
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Aug 22, 2002
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... Sounds like you want the Message ID (mid:) URI scheme, see http://www.w3.org/Addressing/schemes#CnnDndMgDnfm1997 ->...
Dan Brickley
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Aug 22, 2002
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Hi ... Thanks for that, I guess I'm going to have to read a load of Email RFCs for mod_email :-) Chris -- Chris Croome...
Chris Croome
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Aug 22, 2002
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As an aside, at W3C we now have a mid redirector and with this bit of procmail recipe the email itself can have a header indicating its persistent (mid based)...
Joseph Reagle
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Aug 22, 2002
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Hmmmm... I don't understand how to get from there to where I want to be ... Example: Message-ID: <2019.1030021880@...> How do I get from that...
Seth Russell
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Aug 22, 2002
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... I'm not sure I understand, you copy the mid and append it to the mid URI. ... In time, the list archive emails will probably have these X-W3C-Archive-URIs ...
Joseph Reagle
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Aug 22, 2002
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... FWIW It didn't earlier; instead it reached a 404 page that warned eager readers that the mid-lookup database was not updated in real time. Dan...
Dan Brickley
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Aug 22, 2002
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... Yes, I have noted it takes some time to for the email to find its way into the archive and the mid to work....
Joseph Reagle
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