Re: Very Simple RSS 2.0 Proposal [was: Two "beefs" with RSS 1.0]
--- In rss-dev@y..., Chris Croome <chris@w...> wrote:
> Hi
>
> On Sat 07-Sep-2002 at 05:36:16PM -0000, p2psmoke wrote:
> >
> > Still, you'll get pushback, would need to have specific, tangible
> > reason for having container (i.e. necessary for backwards
> > compatibility).
>
> The reason for the container (the Items element) is to enable the
> item's to be ordered from a RDF point of view.
>
> Chris
Chris, I know where you're coming from and I've tested this one in
public and it just don't fly. The response is "Well, we all know the
order of the items".
The only way all RSS views are going to merge is by each stripping
down to a nubbin and negotiating each item. To be honest, though it
would be more 'proper' to have the container, it isn't _necessary_ to
still have RDF within a simplified RSS view. And the traditional view
of container is the one major sticking point of all others leading to
push back.
Now, there was also a backwards compatibility issue with this wasn't
there? That changes things.
... Chris, I know where you're coming from and I've tested this one in public and it just don't fly. The response is "Well, we all know the order of the...
... Shelley, Chris is right. An RDF parser (such as the one in Mozilla / Netscape 7, HP's Jena, Redland's Raptor, Adobe's XMP library, etc) has well understood...
... tangible ... the ... the ... Netscape 7, ... understood ... unordered ... tells us ... meaningful, the ... since ... formatting ... more ... namespace ... ...
... I've considerable sympathy for this view. Smarter consumer apps will always want to offer multiple ways to render the data; eg. in Mozilla we'd probably...
... That'd be possible, though I think this group could better spend its time working on tools, tips and guidelines than on changing the spec again. Maybe put...
... from ... Sean ... its time ... again. ... W3C RDF ... I rather thought that the RDF syntax was more or less stable, Dan. Something about stack in the dirt,...
Hi ... I agree, and in addition evangalising on the benefits that using RDF has... ... Makes sense to me :-) One other thing for the wishlist is the ability to...
... Yes. I thing that could be a more near-term change, since it has no dependencies on the RDF Core specs (by contrast, rdf:List is one of the few additions...
Dan Brickley wrote: [...] ... and ... the ... item), ... a ... this ... the ... I would venture an estimation that most of the RSS consumers we currently have...
... Yes, there are more XML tools than RDF. I wouldn't suggest otherwise. ... This is an idea that many people are interested in, but it is still largely a...
... Chris, how do you want to sort them? Google returns by page rank, so you could add a page rank attribute. Or sort by link title. The issue of embedding...
... Yes, in which case it would be quite handy to stick something on the Seq that indicates which per-item element was used to establish that order. For...
... No, not only. There is a common model for both XML and RDF in RSS 1.0 and XML applications should also consider that the order defined in the rdf:Seq is...
... That's great Sean! I knew RDF experts such as you and Shelly would make much shorter work of this than I could. ... <snip> ... So comparing this to RSS...
... This is very important. Compelling documentation with examples go a long way toward reassuring developers that they grasp the spec and implementing it ...
... There's a huge chicken and the egg problem here. RSS-1.0 supports people attaching dublin core elements to their items. 0.9x does not support much on a ...
... I think that this is simpler than that :-) There is a deep analogy between a RSS feed and a book and if you look at a book, there are several orders which...
... Yes. One divergence here is that individual items from a feed could well be reaggregated from their source into another feed. If just manually, but...