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Very Simple RSS 2.0 Proposal [was: Two "beefs" with RSS 1.0]   Message List  
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Re: [RSS-DEV] Re: Very Simple RSS 2.0 Proposal [was: Two "beefs" with RSS 1.0]

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On Sat 07-Sep-2002 at 04:14:40PM -0400, Dan Brickley wrote:
>
> I think this group could better spend its time working on tools,
> tips and guidelines than on changing the spec again.

I agree, and in addition evangalising on the benefits that using RDF
has...

> Maybe put rdf:List on the wishlist, and wait until the next set of
> W3C RDF specs are finalised before spending RSS-DEV time on it?

Makes sense to me :-)

One other thing for the wishlist is the ability to repeat some
elements, like for example <dcterms:isReferencedBy>, without having
to use Seq or Bag.

Chris




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... From: "p2psmoke" <shelleyp@...> ... Well, I liked your simplified proposal [1] so much that I decided to simplify it some more, adding back...
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... Chris, I know where you're coming from and I've tested this one in public and it just don't fly. The response is "Well, we all know the order of the...
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... Shelley, Chris is right. An RDF parser (such as the one in Mozilla / Netscape 7, HP's Jena, Redland's Raptor, Adobe's XMP library, etc) has well understood...
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... I've considerable sympathy for this view. Smarter consumer apps will always want to offer multiple ways to render the data; eg. in Mozilla we'd probably...
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Hi ... I agree, but what about getting the order from rdf:List as per Sean Palmers suggestion? Chris...
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... That'd be possible, though I think this group could better spend its time working on tools, tips and guidelines than on changing the spec again. Maybe put...
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... from ... Sean ... its time ... again. ... W3C RDF ... I rather thought that the RDF syntax was more or less stable, Dan. Something about stack in the dirt,...
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Hi ... I agree, and in addition evangalising on the benefits that using RDF has... ... Makes sense to me :-) One other thing for the wishlist is the ability to...
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... Yes. I thing that could be a more near-term change, since it has no dependencies on the RDF Core specs (by contrast, rdf:List is one of the few additions...
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Dan Brickley wrote: [...] ... and ... the ... item), ... a ... this ... the ... I would venture an estimation that most of the RSS consumers we currently have...
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... Yes, there are more XML tools than RDF. I wouldn't suggest otherwise. ... This is an idea that many people are interested in, but it is still largely a...
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Hi ... That's fine if you only ever want things ordered by date, but what if you wanted something like Google search results in RSS format... Chris...
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... Chris, how do you want to sort them? Google returns by page rank, so you could add a page rank attribute. Or sort by link title. The issue of embedding...
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... That's great Sean! I knew RDF experts such as you and Shelly would make much shorter work of this than I could. ... <snip> ... So comparing this to RSS...
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... I think that this is simpler than that :-) There is a deep analogy between a RSS feed and a book and if you look at a book, there are several orders which...
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