Re: [RSS-DEV] Order (was Very Simple RSS 2.0 Proposal)
> There is a deep analogy between a RSS feed and a book and if you look at
> a book, there are several orders which can be defined without removing
> the freedom for a reader to follow none of them.
Yes. One divergence here is that individual items from a feed could well be
reaggregated from their source into another feed. If just manually, but perhaps
as a result of search engine queries. Having real per-item meta data will help
it bring along valuable context.
> The rdf:Seq is nothing more than a table of content indicating the order
> which the author of the feed advises to follow.
Right but a table of contents has page and/or chapter numbers. The chapters
themselves contain their number and likewise the pages. Thus items, if they
want to follow the book/toc analogy, would benefit from having their own
metadata.
... Chris, I know where you're coming from and I've tested this one in public and it just don't fly. The response is "Well, we all know the order of the...
... Shelley, Chris is right. An RDF parser (such as the one in Mozilla / Netscape 7, HP's Jena, Redland's Raptor, Adobe's XMP library, etc) has well understood...
... tangible ... the ... the ... Netscape 7, ... understood ... unordered ... tells us ... meaningful, the ... since ... formatting ... more ... namespace ... ...
... I've considerable sympathy for this view. Smarter consumer apps will always want to offer multiple ways to render the data; eg. in Mozilla we'd probably...
... That'd be possible, though I think this group could better spend its time working on tools, tips and guidelines than on changing the spec again. Maybe put...
... from ... Sean ... its time ... again. ... W3C RDF ... I rather thought that the RDF syntax was more or less stable, Dan. Something about stack in the dirt,...
Hi ... I agree, and in addition evangalising on the benefits that using RDF has... ... Makes sense to me :-) One other thing for the wishlist is the ability to...
... Yes. I thing that could be a more near-term change, since it has no dependencies on the RDF Core specs (by contrast, rdf:List is one of the few additions...
Dan Brickley wrote: [...] ... and ... the ... item), ... a ... this ... the ... I would venture an estimation that most of the RSS consumers we currently have...
... Yes, there are more XML tools than RDF. I wouldn't suggest otherwise. ... This is an idea that many people are interested in, but it is still largely a...
... Chris, how do you want to sort them? Google returns by page rank, so you could add a page rank attribute. Or sort by link title. The issue of embedding...
... Yes, in which case it would be quite handy to stick something on the Seq that indicates which per-item element was used to establish that order. For...
... No, not only. There is a common model for both XML and RDF in RSS 1.0 and XML applications should also consider that the order defined in the rdf:Seq is...
... That's great Sean! I knew RDF experts such as you and Shelly would make much shorter work of this than I could. ... <snip> ... So comparing this to RSS...
... This is very important. Compelling documentation with examples go a long way toward reassuring developers that they grasp the spec and implementing it ...
... There's a huge chicken and the egg problem here. RSS-1.0 supports people attaching dublin core elements to their items. 0.9x does not support much on a ...
... I think that this is simpler than that :-) There is a deep analogy between a RSS feed and a book and if you look at a book, there are several orders which...
... Yes. One divergence here is that individual items from a feed could well be reaggregated from their source into another feed. If just manually, but...
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