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Hi all,

Seeing as the version number arms race is looking unlikey to stop, what's the
consensus on name changes?

Is it time recognize that syndicated XML is a lot more popular than the efforts
of just one vendor? Is there sufficient momentum to just picking up and moving
to a new name?

In the past it may have been necessary continue the campaign. Have we reached
the point that it's better to just move on?

The reality is that whatever we call this format any tools out there are famliar
with the current effort will continue to work. We can collectively weather the
storm a name change would cause. The developers have come forth recognizing the
value of a community driven effort. We'd be striking off in a new direction,
but with followers.

Yes, it's indeed handing it to Winer. But he appears to be so hell-bent on a
pyrrhic victory that it's become pointless to continue. He appears so
maniacally bent on maintaining his co-opting of Netscape's work that it'd
probably better to just give it to him while taking all the developers to the
new format.

So how do we move forward on raising a vote to entertain the idea of a name
change? That's without actually announcing such a change, of course. We'd have
a lot of issues to consider before making any sort of annoucements. Purls,
domain names, etc.

Is there interest in a poll to gauge the value behind considering a name change?

-Bill Kearney




Tue Sep 17, 2002 6:47 pm

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Hi all, Seeing as the version number arms race is looking unlikey to stop, what's the consensus on name changes? Is it time recognize that syndicated XML is a...
Bill Kearney
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... From: "Bill Kearney" <wkearney99@...> [...] ... If there was to be a new version of RSS from the rss-dev community, you'd probably have to change...
Sean B. Palmer
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Sep 17, 2002
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... name ... We'd have ... Purls, ... I have one of those domain names (rssengine.com) that will quickly become "extinct" given a name change, but hey, that is...
James Linden
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Sep 17, 2002
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... Sure, the most useful plan I can see for RSS-1.0 is to move on cleaning up the documentation, rouding out the examples and helping people make use of it. ...
Bill Kearney
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Sep 17, 2002
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... While I agree that this could be subject to debate for a next version, I don't see the point of changing the name of the current RSS 1.0... ... What about...
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On Tuesday, Sep 17, 2002, at 20:46 Europe/London, Eric van der Vlist ... Right: For the new and uninitiated, here is the procedure: Procedures for Motions ... ...
Ben Hammersley
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Sep 17, 2002
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... <snip> ... <snip> ... Has the conversation died down enough to call for a vote? -joe -- http://bitworking.org...
Joe Gregorio
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Sep 20, 2002
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... No. It isn't to me even clear on what we'd be deciding. RSS 1.0 exists, has the letters 'rss' in its namespace uri. WOuld we propose to abandon, depracate...
Dan Brickley
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Sep 20, 2002
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... exists, ... abandon, ... Changing the name is a serious matter for reasons mentioned in previous postings such as namespace matters as well as registered ...
Shelley Powers
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Sep 20, 2002
2:47 pm

Preface: I'm fairly new to this list and my POV is that of a developer (my RDF experience has been in developing something a tool similar to the RDFpic...
Michael S. Manley
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Sep 17, 2002
7:56 pm

Right then, as a member of the working group, I propose we consider if it's worth having a discussion to gauge the value of changing the use of the name RSS to...
Bill Kearney
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Sep 17, 2002
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... I had hoped the name, version, and future work was settled two years ago [0]. However, this was not to be and even though both branches have legitimate...
Joseph Reagle
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Sep 17, 2002
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... I totally agree with these suggestions. Personally speaking, I think a tightly specified XML language with all of the above, as a W3C recommendation, and...
Ben Hammersley
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Sep 17, 2002
8:50 pm

... That's got to be the way to go - but is a new name called for *before* any spec content changes though? Cheers, Danny. ps. SYN sounds nice, but shouldn't...
Danny Ayers
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Sep 17, 2002
9:08 pm

... SYN - Syndicate Your News oh, it's just too easy....
Ben Hammersley
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Sep 17, 2002
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... Anybody got time to look into prior use of 'syn'? (trademarks etc...). It's pretty cute. That said, I'm not generally enthused about a new name, since it...
Dan Brickley
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... just news-oriented sites. Absolutely - any name should be applicable to any use of metadata. Dave ... From: Dan Brickley...
David Galbraith
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Sep 17, 2002
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... I agree. Ok, the initial purpose of SYN (or whatever) may be RSS-style syndication, but it's wide open to other applications. One way of looking at the...
Danny Ayers
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Sep 18, 2002
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RXS? (RDF/XML Syndication). I like the idea of a name which both retains the preserves the RDF connection and introduces the fact that it is only transmittable...
Jon Hanna
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... Unfortunately, SYN is quite a common term on the web. (Google says about 1,700,000 hits). Ziv Caspi cell: +972-53-668-751 web:...
Ziv Caspi
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Sep 17, 2002
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Hi there, ... Bill and I coined the term "Syndicated News Format" or "Simple News Format" a few weeks ago, and while Google reports 250.000 hits, the file...
Morten Frederiksen
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Sep 17, 2002
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... I offered that name partly in jest. *If* there's agreement for name change, the only fun part of such an excercise is having a little/name icon contest!...
Joseph Reagle
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Sep 17, 2002
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... That's brilliant! It would be a way to keep our roots while gently joking about the RSS name battle... it also stands for "Rock'N Roll" but we could have...
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... ago ... capitulate on ... legitimate ... Jefferson ... would like ... (1) has ... familiar with ... (e.g., ... short ... translation...) Wow, this is...
Joe Gregorio
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Hi there, ... I think this is a great idea, for several reasons: - It would end the current version race and confusion. - It would make it clear that there is...
Morten Frederiksen
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Sep 17, 2002
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Let's not get caught up in naming what-ifs. Keeping in mind the tremendous potential for someone to hijack domain names and such let's not bother with what ...
Bill Kearney
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Sep 17, 2002
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... tremendous ... bother with what ... would cause and ... I agree. The name of the format is not nearly as important as the format itself. As for the...
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Sep 18, 2002
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... I was recently in a WG meeting where I asked why the spec made use of the term "asynchronous" in the context of the term "channel" (which was not ...
Joseph Reagle
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Sep 18, 2002
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What does RDF add to RSS? Perhaps the coders could take this question literally and make the answer explicit with a little tool. Let's say we have something...
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