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RE: [RSS-DEV] Re: Speak of the devil

> Here's a guy who is breaking because of the namespace declaration on the rss
> element in Simon Fell's feed. (Also Sam Ruby's.)
> [snip]
> Okay, so now this problem is hitting users, albeit a technical one who
> rolled hsi own aggregator.

On the theory that there can never be too many gentle introductions to a
concept, let me try again.

If, on this mailing list, I say "Rael", it probably is pretty clear who
I am talking about. But some computer programs are pretty downright
pedantic when it comes to these things. When given a short name, they
demand knowing the full name. If you tell it just "Rael", it assumes
that this is a one name person, like Madonna or Cher.

XSTL is such a namespace aware program. If you tell it "rss", it
inquires as to which rss are talking about. If you tell it "just rss",
then it assumes that THIS rss is different than any OTHER rss. So what
happens when you tell XSLT "just rss", and it encounters something that
isn't "just rss"? It doesn't match. Computers are funny that way.

This is no different than Perl where my foo is different than your::foo.
Or Python where my foo is different than your.foo. Or Java, C#, or
many other languages which support a packaging, namespace, or module
concept.

Once we realize that things may have "last names", it behoves us to have
shorthands where we say "for this section of the document, things are
assumed to have have the following last name". Or we create nick names
in the form of prefixes for such longer names.

I firmly believe that the rss element in RSS 2.0 should have a
namespace. That, after all, is the essence of the olive branch that was
offered. If there is a retreat from this position, I would suggest that
a renaming the specification to 0.94 would make sense, leaving 2.0
available for some indefinite point in the future when namespaces can be
safely added.

- Sam Ruby




Fri Sep 27, 2002 3:04 pm

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Here's a guy who is breaking because of the namespace declaration on the rss element in Simon Fell's feed. (Also Sam Ruby's.) ...
Dave Winer
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Sep 27, 2002
1:17 pm

I fail to see the relevance of this message to this mailing list which (per its home page[1]) is the list of the "RDF Site Summary 1.0 Specification Working...
Eric van der Vlist
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Sep 27, 2002
1:28 pm

Okay, given Eric's objection to the discussion of namespaces in RSS 2.0 here on the RDF mail list, now seems as good a time as any to tell y'all about the...
Dave Winer
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Sep 27, 2002
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... on the rss ... people, ... which no ... namespace ... definition ... who ... I would strongly suggest that everyone back out to RSS 0.9x until the ...
Shelley Powers
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Sep 27, 2002
1:36 pm

... on the rss ... people, ... which no ... namespace ... definition ... who ... We'll try this again since my last response didn't take: Dave, I would...
Shelley Powers
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Sep 27, 2002
1:39 pm

... I agree. The (admirable) addition of XML namespace support to RSS 2.0 was a major change to the non-RDF flavour of RSS, and one whose ramifications haven't...
Dan Brickley
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Sep 27, 2002
1:57 pm

Folks, please mark your non-RSS1.0 posts with OT please. While it's indeed tragic to see users being denied their ability to read content because of format...
Bill Kearney
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Sep 27, 2002
1:58 pm

... No it isn't. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/ makes it quite clear that this group is about the development of "RDF Site Summary 1.0". Many of the...
Jon Hanna
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Sep 27, 2002
2:06 pm

... On the theory that there can never be too many gentle introductions to a concept, let me try again. If, on this mailing list, I say "Rael", it probably is...
Sam Ruby
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Sep 27, 2002
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... You moved from a format that had no namespace, to one that did. So of course some apps will break. Either they have no conception of a namespace and won't...
Joseph Reagle
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Sep 27, 2002
3:40 pm

... So rather that have them bother stepping back, just have them step to 1.0 instead. It can be built upon. And it already has a wide base of acceptance. ...
Bill Kearney
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