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The existence of two similar but incompatible formats that call
themselves RSS is a persistent problem for everyone who supports these
formats, whether they're involved in RSS 1.0 or RSS 2.0.

As RSS adoption has grown, RSS 2.0 has built a huge lead on RSS 1.0,
from the looks of the version stats published at Syndic8. Here's the
numbers, based on today's page and pages archived by the Internet Archive:

Today: RSS 2.0 76.3%, RSS 1.0 11.3%

Feb. 2006: RSS 2.0 68.3%, RSS 1.0 17.6%

March 2005: RSS 2.0 62.1%, RSS 1.0 16.5%

December 2004: RSS 2.0 49.2%, RSS 1.0 20.6%

April 2004: RSS 2.0 24.6%, RSS 1.0 47.3%

We can debate the reasons why, but my guess is that the higher version
number is as much a factor as anything else. I anticipate that RSS 2.0
will continue to grow relative to RSS 1.0 because of Microsoft's
choice to normalize to RSS 2.0 in Windows Vista and MSIE.

When RSS 1.0 was launched, a vote to change the name to xRSS almost
had majority support here -- the final result was 11 yes, 11 no:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/surveys?id=368260

I'm probably getting myself into trouble by asking this, but is there
any support for renaming RSS 1.0 as RSS-RDF, either through a simple
name change or a more involved process?

Although I'm on the RSS Advisory Board, I think that the three
syndication formats each has a strong selling point:

- RSS 2.0 is simple, loose and popular

- Atom is an Internet standard that's more adaptable to uses outside
site syndication

- RSS 1.0 builds on RDF

I'm not a member of the RSS-DEV Working Group, but I'd like to urge
you to consider renaming RSS 1.0 as RSS-RDF. The name change would
highlight the format's implementation of RDF and give the rival RSSes
some breathing room.

On a personal note, it would also make it considerably easier for me
to describe your format in various things I write for the RSS board.
It's tough for me to say anything about RSS 1.0 on our site because of
the potential for newbie confusion. People assume it's a previous
iteration of RSS 2.0, not a different format that shares a common
ancestor.

I've e-mailed the authors of the RSS 1.0 spec to see if there's an
opportunity here.




Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:32 am

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The existence of two similar but incompatible formats that call themselves RSS is a persistent problem for everyone who supports these formats, whether they're...
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... Yes you are, and no there's not....
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... I've pinged RSS 1.0's authors along with several of the working group members who joined afterward. RSS 1.0 would do better, marketing wise, under the name...
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RDF Site Summary-RDF? RDF, so good they named it twice? :)...
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... I was thinking more along the lines of RSS for the Resource Description Framework (RSS-RDF), but I'm enough of a dork to appreciate a recursive acronym...
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... How about "RDF-Syndication"? Alan Dean...
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If renaming becomes a reality, I would suggest that the new name should NOT have an embedded dash in the name (e.g., RSSRDF, RSSrdf or rssrdf instead of...
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... Ah yeah, right. Let's see, one format comes up with a name, then some jackass hijacks it by playing version number games. Then it becomes the ...
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... I'm not suggesting that the RSS-DEV Working Group is obligated to change the name of RSS 1.0 because of confusion with RSS 2.0. I'm suggesting that RSS 1.0...
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... I have a longer reply in Yahoo Groups limbo. In case it doesn't make it, here's the short version: The RSS-DEV Working Group has no responsibility to...
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Hi, Le mardi 12 décembre 2006 à 03:32 +0000, rcade a écrit : ... As far as I remember, this poll reflects the mixed feelings that we had about changing our...
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... Given the response to the RSS 1.1 proposal here when it was pitched in January 2005, it appears that a successive version of RSS 1.0 is highly unlikely. I...
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... A lot of them have changed their email addresses. Have you got more recent addresses than those on the spec? ... There is still hope: you've succeeded to...
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... I went looking for more recent addresses, and was successful for all but a few authors. There's only one I didn't contact intentionally, because I ran into...
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That *you're* not getting traction doesn't equate with much. You're pushing an agenda that isn't in keeping with what the effort thus far has desired. An...
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... We (you, me, Jon Hanna and Randy Charles Morin) didn't get much traction with the joint RSS MIME type proposal here either. It also seemed like the RSS 1.1...
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... I'm not sure it's worth rehashing again. ... Bingo. ... I don't share that assumption. ... So that's, what, a threat? Gee, how unlike the 2.0 hijacking...
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... Calling it a threat presumes that withholding my future proposals would be some form of punishment to the working group. As I said, it's just where I'm at...
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To All I am hoping for discussion about RSS 1.0 and extending using Modules and have needed one for some time. However, the focus of this group has been on...
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To All I am hoping for discussion about RSS 1.0 and extending using Modules and have needed one for some time. However, the focus of this group has been on...
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... Frankly, and while I have every psychological motivation to believe otherwise, I would be pessimistic in this regard. However. Would your module be useful...
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To be a little clearer, and certainly not insulting, some years back several modules were being discussed and proposed, some from within your own group. The...
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