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Re: [RSS-DEV] Re: Proposal: Both branches share RSS name

Aaron Swartz <aswartz@...> writes:

> Ken MacLeod <ken@...> wrote:
>
> > I may be too optimistic about how united a project we will appear
> > to be. I've seen from all sides (not necessisarily all
> > individuals) the desire to work amicably once this issue is behind
> > us. I don't know for sure.

> > Again, in principle, do you see this as a possible resolution to
> > the issue? Agreeing in principle means working out the details
> > after the general agreement, so as not to waste time on little
> > things if you don't agree on the big things.
>
> I don't see this as a resolution -- I see this as the natural course
> of events after the naming issues are resolved. No matter what the
> two specs are called, people will still refer to them as RSS, and
> they will be seen as two implementations of the same idea. I have no
> problem with that, if that's what you're asking.

How do you expect the naming issue to be resolved?

Here's how I replied to Mark Ketzler on that subject in [syndication]:

There's no apparent process available to us to come to closure on
the name, excepting rss-dev's process presuming that they'd be
willing to change their name, of which I don't at all expect a 2/3's
vote agreeing to change it wholesale.

On the other hand, I do see a possibility of a 2/3's vote for
agreeing to a branch name if RSS without RDF+NS looks like it will
move forward and will agree to a branch name also.

*That* result depends on how open the process is here on
syndication.

Do you see this any differently?

> I'm not quite sure I understand what you're proposing here,

Happiness for all involved. Or least an attempt.

-- Ken



Wed Oct 18, 2000 11:03 pm

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I sent a proposal[1] for sharing the RSS name, creating two branches rather than two forks, to the syndication list. I would have cross-posted, but having a...
Ken MacLeod
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Oct 18, 2000
4:29 pm

... <http://www.egroups.com/message/syndication/814> <http://www.egroups.com/message/syndication/819> <http://www.egroups.com/message/syndication/816> ...
Ken MacLeod
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Oct 18, 2000
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How would you handle versions of the different branches? For example, I think having RSS .92 and RSS 1.0 out at the same time would confuse users. -David...
David King
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Oct 18, 2000
7:05 pm

Ken, I agree completely that we need to come together. The syndication group represents our "early adopters" and should be nurtured. However, I continue to...
Mark Ketzler
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Oct 18, 2000
7:22 pm

... I agree that having an RSS0.92 and RSS1.0 out at the same time would confuse users. I believe having an RSS-Foo-1.0 and RSS-Bar-1.0 will not be confusing...
Ken MacLeod
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Oct 18, 2000
7:24 pm

I wouldn't like to be rough, but while I see clearly what we would loose by changing name, I don't see what we would gain in exchange... Eric ... -- ... Eric...
Eric van der Vlist
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Oct 18, 2000
7:56 pm

... What would be gained: * Technolgy leadership -- charting the course of the most demanding RSS applications * Unified RSS community -- support of the...
Mark Ketzler
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Oct 18, 2000
8:19 pm

As somebody who hasn't been involved in the heated discussions (just lurking :), this is what I notice right away: RSS 1.0 doesn't change it's name... 1)...
David King
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Oct 18, 2000
8:34 pm

... Well I have absolutely no idea what would be lost by changing the name. What would be lost? What would be gained is very clear: (1) Clear up this bad karma...
Seth Russell
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Oct 18, 2000
8:38 pm

... At risk of looking naive, wouldn't these 3 points rather be achieved by working hard on defining a good model, a good syntax and implementing tools than by...
Eric van der Vlist
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Oct 18, 2000
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... Unfortunately, some people won't stop discussing the political issues. The suggestion is that we take action in to our own hands and make them stop, by ...
Aaron Swartz
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Oct 18, 2000
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... The only way to fight this ambiguity is to show what we have in mind. And the only way to show what we have in mind is to focus on shipping the spec. ... ...
Eric van der Vlist
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Oct 18, 2000
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... A brand. ... Do we have to care about that ? ... Which will be seen as starting with a failure. ... Again, the only way to avoid confusion is to ship...
Eric van der Vlist
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Oct 18, 2000
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... The brand is augmented and retains the RSS goodwill. Did XHTML require rebranding or did it leverage html's brand. ... One person, no -- a subset of the...
Mark Ketzler
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Oct 18, 2000
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... I think XRSS is a better brand name anyway. If it has an 'X' in it, you know its gotta be good ... just kidding ;-) ... I care about it, but this is a...
Seth Russell
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Oct 18, 2000
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... Definitely. To paraphrase and repeat my query earlier for the group: Does anybody see anything wrong with sharing the name yet clearly identifying the ...
Ken MacLeod
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Oct 18, 2000
9:23 pm

... My major problem with it is that it requires that we work together with a group that doesn't really exist, and whose only "leader" has vowed not lead it. I...
Aaron Swartz
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Oct 18, 2000
9:33 pm

... There is no intention of merging the groups or making a requirement of any coordination between the two, outside of simply agreeing to share the same base...
Ken MacLeod
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Oct 18, 2000
9:53 pm

... So basically, you're saying that instead of changing the name to XRSS, we change it to RSS-X. I don't see a whole lot of difference. Even with XRSS, people...
Aaron Swartz
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Oct 18, 2000
10:00 pm

... I've made no direct suggestions as to what branch names either group should choose, the example referred to earlier was simply a way of showing how the two...
Ken MacLeod
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Oct 18, 2000
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... Hmm, then I don't understand. How do you define a "united project" if we use different names, don't have any joint decisions (other than to be a united ...
Aaron Swartz
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Oct 18, 2000
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... I may be too optimistic about how united a project we will appear to be. I've seen from all sides (not necessisarily all individuals) the desire to work...
Ken MacLeod
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Oct 18, 2000
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... <snip/> ... I don't see this as a resolution -- I see this as the natural course of events after the naming issues are resolved. No matter what the two...
Aaron Swartz
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Oct 18, 2000
10:54 pm

... How do you expect the naming issue to be resolved? Here's how I replied to Mark Ketzler on that subject in [syndication]: There's no apparent process...
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