Right now, are there any increases in search engine visibility for sites
that produce RSS and mark them up with metadata?  Does having an RSS
feed listed in Syndic8 of newsisfree help?

My employer has a feed listed in
http://www.newsisfree.com/sources/info/5718/.  Is this helping us
(outside of those
who already know about us and monitor our content)?

It seems to me the main advantage to feed providers right now is that
people come back to their sites. Maybe there is a little improvement in
search engine visibility through incresed links if the content gets
aggregated somewhere.

Daypop doesn't monitor corporate sites that might have press releases or
job ads in them.

Doug Ransom

So <content:encoded> is in wide use, and widely supported.  Its made the
content module much more straight forward, and allowed it to finally get
acceptance.

The one problem with the module is the documentation is still confusing,
with <content:encoded> being flagged as unapproved, and the status of the
older RDF heavy syntax being unclear.

Can we update the spec to emphasize the use of content:encoded and more
clearly state what role the original syntax plays? (and then move it off
the proposed modules page)

Also is <content:encoded> strictly for HTML?  The spec doesn't specify.

thanks
Kellan

--
"the truth is always revolutionary" [antonio gramsci]

kellan@...

Ben has an article on oreillynet showing how to use MT templates to
include so much metadata in an RSS feed its practically obscene[1] (in a
good way)

One thing its shows is the creative commons module[2] in use, specifically
the <cc:license> element referring to an external license. (this seems like
the right way to do this)

Missing however is the <cc:License> (note the capital L) top level element
that the mod_cc spec states as being required.

Has the requirement for the new top level element been removed?  Of is the
article in error?

On a slightly tangential note are there any RSS XML parsers that support
new top level elements?  Are most of the people on this list working with
RSS as RDF?  Thinking about how to support some of this stuff in XML::RSS
(which is a mess) and I'm not having any inspirations.

thanks
kellan

1. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/javascript/2003/02/28/rss.html
2. http://web.resource.org/rss/1.0/modules/cc/

--
"the truth is always revolutionary" [antonio gramsci]

kellan@...

> On a slightly tangential note are there any RSS XML parsers that support
> new top level elements?  Are most of the people on this list working with
> RSS as RDF?  Thinking about how to support some of this stuff in XML::RSS
> (which is a mess) and I'm not having any inspirations.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm using RDF. This strikes me as the
obvious choice for doing RSS with future proofing - when you want to use a
new module (or other RDF vocabulary) the low-level stuff is already taken
care of, you only have to worry about how to present the data (or whatever).

I did wonder about a possible third way here - by far the lion's share of
RSS+extensions usage is trivially structured, so I wondered if there might
be potential for an 'RDF-reduced' parser/API definition with a simplified
model (tree?). This could allow most new modules to be added without extra
low-level work...

...*but* it's far easier to take an existing RDF tool and add a simplified
bridge interface, rather than build the whole lot up from scratch (work
downhill rather than uphill ;-)  The full extensibility of RDF is also then
available if you need it.

This is one of the main requirements of the infant JemBlog [1] project (Jena
Semantic Weblog Server - Java). I'm sure the same approach would work with
other languages - I've not looked at the source but I guess that the
"Redland RSS 1.0 Validator and Viewer" demo [2] features something like
this.

Cheers,
Danny.


[1] http://dannyayers.com/ideagraph-blog/archives/cat_jemblog.html
[2] http://www.redland.opensource.ac.uk/rss/

On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 11:26 AM, Danny Ayers wrote:

>
>> On a slightly tangential note are there any RSS XML parsers that
>> support
>> new top level elements?  Are most of the people on this list working
>> with
>> RSS as RDF?  Thinking about how to support some of this stuff in
>> XML::RSS
>> (which is a mess) and I'm not having any inspirations.
>
> I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm using RDF. This strikes me as
> the
> obvious choice for doing RSS with future proofing - when you want to
> use a
> new module (or other RDF vocabulary) the low-level stuff is already
> taken
> care of, you only have to worry about how to present the data (or
> whatever).

+1
Totally. I'm now looking at RSS as just-another-rdf-vocab, along with
foaf, Les Orchard's rdf-from-AgentFrank and so on. For RSS 1.0, it's
RDF, no question. RSS 2.0 et al, it's XML::Simple all the way.

As for the CC thing in that template, it's the default MT template, and
the CC stuff was put there, I believe, by AaronSW: hence I didn't check
it.

> As for the CC thing in that template, it's the default MT template,and
> the CC stuff was put there, I believe, by AaronSW: hence I didn't check
> it.

Wow.  Hadn't looked at the MT templates since 2.5 I guess.  The CC
stuff  definitely runs counter to the RSS CC module which states there
must be a License element.  Maybe the spec should be updated?

kellan

(Note: this message is cross-posted, please check before replying)

We are pleased to announce the 1.02 release of XML::RSS!

This is the first stable release of XML::RSS since maintainer-ship was
taken over by brian d foy, and development was moved to Sourceforge.

Since XML::RSS 0.96 (17 Mar 2001) there have been several important bug
fixes and features enhancements.


* XML Encoding Bug (FIXED)

XML::RSS failed to escape illegal characters and entities when generating
RSS.  This was particularly troublesome because it auto-unescaped them.

* Improved RSS 2.0 Support (NEW)

XML::RSS can now output RSS 2.0, as well as RSS 0.9, 0.91, and 1.0.

* Parsers Support for Tags with Attributes (NEW)

XML::RSS can now properly parse RSS feeds that use attribute based tags,
e.g.  <admin:generatorAgent rdf:resource="http://perl-rss.sf.net">

* Auto-Add Non-Standard Namespaces [optional] (NEW)

XML::RSS can optionally auto-add short cuts to any non-standard
namespaces.  This is on top of the add_module() method that has always
been available.

* Much improved and expanded test suite (NEW)

XML::RSS now comes with an extensive test suite based on Perl Test::*
hierarchy


About XML::RSS
------------------

XML::RSS is a Perl module that provides a basic framework for creating and
parsing RSS files.  It supports most major RSS versions, and includes
support for the RSS 1.0 modules: Dublin Core, Admin, Syndication, and
Taxonomy.

Homepage:  http://perl-rss.sourceforge.net/
CPAN: http://search.cpan.org/dist/XML-RSS/
SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/perl-rss/
RT: http://rt.cpan.org/NoAuth/Bugs.html?Dist=XML-RSS


- Ian <iand@...>
"The test of all knowledge is experiment."

Doug Ransom <doug.ransom@...> writes:

> Right now, are there any increases in search engine visibility for sites that
> produce RSS and mark them up with metadata?  Does having an RSS feed listed in
> Syndic8 of newsisfree help?
<snip/>

I asked Google about this last week.  Their crawler does not index RDF or RSS
files.  You are darkmatter...

Kevin

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burton@... wrote:
> Doug Ransom <doug.ransom@...> writes:
>
>> Right now, are there any increases in search engine visibility for
>> sites that produce RSS and mark them up with metadata?  Does having
>> an RSS feed listed in Syndic8 of newsisfree help?
> <snip/>
>
> I asked Google about this last week.  Their crawler does not index
> RDF or RSS files.  You are darkmatter...

Well, they might not intend to, but they certainly do: when I want to see
who's using a module or how, I just search for the namespace URI, and a
search like
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/%22
will generally turn up quite a few RSS files along with the HTML pages
talking about it. In fact, through whatever mischance, more than once when I
was searching with something targeted that I knew would retrieve a
particular post, I've gotten the RSS feed as my top result, rather than the
HTML. I assume it's just an error, since it's a pretty useless search result
to be delivering to a browser, but they are indexing them and returning them
in results.

Phil Ringnalda

> > Right now, are there any increases in search engine visibility for sites
that
> > produce RSS and mark them up with metadata?  Does having an RSS feed
listed in
> > Syndic8 of newsisfree help?
> <snip/>
>
> I asked Google about this last week.  Their crawler does not index RDF or
RSS
> files.  You are darkmatter...

     A search for "allinurl: rss" or "allinurl: rdf" (and variations of both)
will turn up quite a few RSS and RDF feeds as well.

James

I think the most important thing is just giving people easy access to
aggregators through services and software they already know how to
use.

There are millions upon millions of people who use services like My
Yahoo for customized news, stock quotes, etc. Why not start sending
them to an RSS aggregator instead? Most people do not need to know
that much about the technology, but get a large group of people
reading RSS feeds, and lots of people will learn.

Imagine this idea, for instance. Salon has some weblogs, and it also
has users from The Well. What if it were to offer up custom portals
to its users, allowing them to easily monitor their favorite external
news feeds, WELL discussions, latest Salon stories... integrated with
Google searches, tools to monitor and access web-based email apps,
etc. Likewise, how about an app/plugin for IE that allows for
something similar.

Who is creating and marketing software designed to allow sites like
Salon, or newspapers, or BlackPlanet.com, or Asianavenue.com, or
Apple, or the Teamsters, or bowie.net, or NRA.com, or a company's
intranet... to easily add a customized portal for their customers
based on RSS technology? You could even have a "paid or free" model
for such software, using a service like Google's new ad service to
deliver customized banner ads relevant to the interests of the users.

Likewise, who is creating and marketing an RSS screensaver, designed
to do for RSS what Pointcast did for push technology? Yes, Pointcast
went belly-up, but that had more to do with the economy and overreach
as opposed to the concept, which had millions of users. Again, you
could use a model for such an app that is "paid or free", and allow
people to brand their own content aggregators.

In short, there are lots of ways to popularize RSS that aren't being
pursued right now. Most development efforts don't seem to be about
expanding the number of users for RSS, so much as preaching (albeit
in a incrementally better way) to the existing choir.

Give people new, popular applications that use RSS, or design RSS
applications that piggyback onto existing software and services...
and if there is a link somewhere that says "What is RSS?", that's a
good start.

- Mark

kellan@... wrote:
>Has the requirement for the new top level element been removed?  Or is the
>article in error?
All and none of the above. :)

From an RDF perspective, it's not necessary to state the properties of
the CC licenses, those assertions have already been made by CC, e.g.
[1] (view source).

If a non-CC license is used, the License element must be present,
otherwise the license is not defined. From a stand-alone perspective,
the most common use of RSS feeds so far, it's also a good idea to
include the element for CC licenses (but it doesn't seem to be used by
any machines yet).


In short, yes, the module spec could use a little update, but the MT
template doesn't seem wrong (I assume that MT only allows for CC
licenses to be selected).


[1] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/1.0



Regards,
Morten Frederiksen
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--- In rss-dev@yahoogroups.com, mof-rss-dev@m... wrote:
> kellan@p... wrote:
> >Has the requirement for the new top level element been removed?  Or
is the
> >article in error?
> All and none of the above. :)
>
> From an RDF perspective, it's not necessary to state the properties of
> the CC licenses, those assertions have already been made by CC, e.g.
> [1] (view source).
>
> If a non-CC license is used, the License element must be present,
> otherwise the license is not defined. From a stand-alone perspective,
> the most common use of RSS feeds so far, it's also a good idea to
> include the element for CC licenses (but it doesn't seem to be used by
> any machines yet).
>
>
> In short, yes, the module spec could use a little update, but the MT
> template doesn't seem wrong (I assume that MT only allows for CC
> licenses to be selected).


That's entirely right.
I shall be updating the mod_CC spec in the next few weeks, however.
There is a bit of movement on the cc-development list, now that the
Dublin Core people have seen the CC stuff. (yes, I know, I know
*sigh*) so there may be changes to come anyway.

Article on newsreaders in Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45855-2003Mar5.html

Or, better yet, how about the developers showing at least a tiny bit of respect
for the mainstream media?  That as opposed to claiming they're dinosaurs and
BigCos destined to be destroyed by blogging...

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Subject: [RSS-DEV] article in the washington post


> Its about time. Hope it sets a trend. The mainstream media needs to get
involved in these efforts and be more supportive. :)

Sure, kissing their ass will encourage them to write more about blogging.
How can there be any respect left for mainstream media after Monica
Lewinsky-thon?

Best,

Don Park
Docuverse

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> respect
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> and
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Somehow I must have missed all the coverage Bill Kearney has generated for
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> Sure, kissing their ass will encourage them to write more about blogging.
> How can there be any respect left for mainstream media after Monica
> Lewinsky-thon?
>
> Best,
>
> Don Park
> Docuverse
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Kearney [mailto:ml_yahoo@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 3:06 PM
> > To: rss-dev@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RSS-DEV] article in the washington post
> >
> > Or, better yet, how about the developers showing at least a tiny bit of
> > respect
> > for the mainstream media?  That as opposed to claiming they're dinosaurs
> > and
> > BigCos destined to be destroyed by blogging...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > To: <rss-dev@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 5:53 PM
> > Subject: [RSS-DEV] article in the washington post
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> >
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Ooops I meant to send that to Don, not the list. Sorry about that. Dave

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> Somehow I must have missed all the coverage Bill Kearney has generated for
> RSS and blogging. Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <rss-dev@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:13 PM
> Subject: RE: [RSS-DEV] article in the washington post
>
>
> > Sure, kissing their ass will encourage them to write more about
blogging.
> > How can there be any respect left for mainstream media after Monica
> > Lewinsky-thon?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Don Park
> > Docuverse
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> > >
> > > Or, better yet, how about the developers showing at least a tiny bit
of
> > > respect
> > > for the mainstream media?  That as opposed to claiming they're
dinosaurs
> > > and
> > > BigCos destined to be destroyed by blogging...
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Luka Sherron" <blogginslut@...>
> > > To: <rss-dev@yahoogroups.com>
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Over the past 2 years or so I think I've put in enough time studying
and analyzing this issue as anybody possibly can. My conclusion
is that the 'main stream media' will never adopt RSS. It may be
discussed but it will never be adopted.

Without a long winded diatribe rationalizing why I believe this
is so I will simply say that when main stream media is the subject
of the discussion NewsML will rule the day and there will continue
to be an 'us and them' just as within and between any other realm
of ideas, products, and services.

We all need to understand and accept that and determine how to
interoperate. IMO transformation should be the focus of attention.

<%= Clinton Gallagher
     METROmilwaukee Regional Information Services
     URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

* clintonG <csgallagher@...> [2003-03-09 11:00-0600]
> Over the past 2 years or so I think I've put in enough time studying
> and analyzing this issue as anybody possibly can. My conclusion
> is that the 'main stream media' will never adopt RSS. It may be
> discussed but it will never be adopted.

This overstates the case a little, but I certainly agree that RSS
encourages a view of the media that may be in tension with the
mainstream tradition. It makes things that used to be expensive
somewhat cheaper and easier for any of us to do.

Dan

I subscribe to CNN, the BBC, NY Times and Christian Science Monitor,  in my
RSS aggregator. They seem pretty mainstream to me. Dave

> Over the past 2 years or so I think I've put in enough time studying
> and analyzing this issue as anybody possibly can. My conclusion
> is that the 'main stream media' will never adopt RSS. It may be
> discussed but it will never be adopted.

Companies apparently pay for their press releases to be distributed by
firms like canada news wire etc.

I could see RSS as a way to remove the wire services out of the
equation.  In terms of the value chain, I don't think the wire services
add much value.

RSS combined with some form of nonrepudiation technology might be a way
to distrubute press releases.  Someone need to provide PKI services for
this system, and someone needs to decide and rank news releases for
syndication, especially if they go to print. Local papers like local
stories, National papers like stories about public companies, specialty
sits like content related to their industry.  I think they can search
rss feeds nightly, and the cost of electronic signing and witnessing of
press releases and RSS feeds should be pretty low- maybe a buck or two a
release?

PS.  I think bloggers should start playing with signing and electronic
witnessing of their content.

Doug

Hello,

What would be a good equivalent to RSS 2.0 <source> tag in RSS 1.0?
Would <dc:source> be the right choice?

Thanks.

Cheers,

PA.

On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, clintonG wrote:

> Over the past 2 years or so I think I've put in enough time studying
> and analyzing this issue as anybody possibly can. My conclusion
> is that the 'main stream media' will never adopt RSS. It may be
> discussed but it will never be adopted.
>
> Without a long winded diatribe rationalizing why I believe this
> is so I will simply say that when main stream media is the subject
> of the discussion NewsML will rule the day and there will continue
> to be an 'us and them' just as within and between any other realm
> of ideas, products, and services.

I suspect that mainstream media is happy when RSS feeds 'point' to their
own news articles/sites, as this is really free advertising / marketing.

But information management within the news / wire service business model
is a lot more complicated. There are all sorts of IP (restricted rights,
ownership, authorship), legal liability and other issues, and most of
these are integrated into the technology and processes in place to manage
and distribute news.  None of this is handled (yet) by RSS.

A quick review of newsml (http://www.newsml.org,
http://www.iptc.org/site/NewsML/NewsMLSpec.htm) will illustrate the
differences.

Ian

--- In rss-dev@yahoogroups.com, "petite_lapin_blue"
<petite_abeille@h...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What would be a good equivalent to RSS 2.0 <source> tag in RSS 1.0?
> Would <dc:source> be the right choice?
>

No, there's a good module for it: mod_aggregation

http://www.purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/aggregation/


it has three different elements:

<ag:source> for the name of the source
<ag:sourceURL> for the URL of the source
<ag:timestamp> for the time the source first published the aggregated item

Ben

> > Over the past 2 years or so I think I've put in enough time studying
> > and analyzing this issue as anybody possibly can. My conclusion
> > is that the 'main stream media' will never adopt RSS. It may be
> > discussed but it will never be adopted.
>
> This overstates the case a little, but I certainly agree that RSS
> encourages a view of the media that may be in tension with the
> mainstream tradition. It makes things that used to be expensive
> somewhat cheaper and easier for any of us to do.

There's such an esoteric mix of issues involved.  It's difficult to make any
single statement that describes the situation effectively.

On one hand you've got the camp that wants to use RSS as a means for lightweight
headlines.  Another wants to use it for full content distribution.  Some
factions also want to use it as a means to avoid visiting websites *at all*.
RSS has gained significant momentum from the weblog world thanks to products
like MovableType.

Then there's that vocal minority that wants to mix this all together into a
"screw the establishment" position. As you can imagine, "the establishment"
doesn't find great comfort in some of these positions.

Now, one could wax philosphic about all this but bottom line is if the people
with content are going to utilize RSS then they have to find a comfort level
that suits them.

What that level of adoption they should consider?  If they're interested in
attracting a more readers to their current web or print publications then using
RSS for it's headline value is probably their best bet.  This gives them a way
to offer content in the form of headlines with descriptions that help an
interested reader make the choice to visit their website.  This can be quite
easily linked such that allows ready understanding what percentage of readers is
coming from the RSS channel.

To get into content distribution via RSS is larger commitment that may not suit
their current operation.  There's a signficant revenue stream present in the
distribution of rich content.  They're not terribly likely to start 'giving'
that away.  Fundamentally, there's no real reason for them to do it.  Just
because a vocal minority of users that wouldn't /ever/ pay for content want it
doesn't mean they should just give into their demands.  The content owners know
this already.  Whether or not the readers grasp, let alone respect it is another
thing entirely.

Major publications already use RSS.  It's not correct to say they don't.  Now,
do they use it to push out the full content of their articles?  No, most don't
and wisely so.  They have a business to run and RSS is, and can continue to be,
a viable add-on to that business.  Meanwhile we, the RSS readers, gain a way to
stay up to date in a way we consider faster and more efficient.  It's a win all
around.

-Bill Kearney

Well a free country still requires media news coverage; the more reliable the better, the more integrity the better. in this instance i feel the controversy is the essential ingredient to tipping the scale.

call it rebellion call it ass kissing the bottom line is these two forces need to communicate and break down the barriers in order to establish media standards that are based on content quality rather than the bullshit revenue statics. Real people will invest in real news (eventually).

The trick is to differentiate between "real news" and "real bullshit"!!!! Still, it is important for developments like rss to get public attention because there is more to software programming/engineering than what we are presently utilizing.

The world needs to understand that there is a difference between eCommerce web based business and software development. Software development is the conjunction of science and art. If people understand it then they will invest in it (invest meaning emotionally, intellectually, physically, or monetarily)....That is what needs to happen!

--- In rss-dev@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Hammersley" <ben@b...> wrote:
> No, there's a good module for it: mod_aggregation
>
> http://www.purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/aggregation/
>
>
> it has three different elements:
>
> <ag:source> for the name of the source
> <ag:sourceURL> for the URL of the source
> <ag:timestamp> for the time the source first published the
aggregated item

Thanks. Should the <ag:sourceURL> point to the html page of the
source (as in the example provided) or to the rss feed (as in RSS
2.0)?

Cheers,

PA.

I think the 'main stream media' still haven't quite figured out how to RSS
work for them.  There is no real pressure to figure it out now either since
there neither an obviously profitable RSS-based revenue model nor an obvious
threat to their print business.  Blog world seems to be still growing fast
and line between non-blog websites and blog websites is blurring.  Soon the
border between blog-based journalism and main stream media will start to
blur as well with one or two good online newspapers.

Best,

Don Park
Docuverse