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Attn: Yahoo - Media RSS Spec is still wrong about trailing slash   Message List  
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Re: [rss-media] Attn: Yahoo - Media RSS Spec is still wrong about trailing slash

AFAIK, Jeremy Zawodny from Yahoo! is currently responsible for the
spec. My own previous requests to him have either gone unanswered or
un-acted upon.

Based on Y!'s lack of action on this issue, I currently believe that
Y! will likely never re-engage in this work, and therefore the RSS
community should officially fork version 1.1.2 of the spec and
continue development without Y! support.

There are some great minds working at Y! (I recently spent 3 months
working with the Y! Messenger web team), but this should definitely be
considered an embarrassment to the people who are involved with Media
RSS. Even the official feeds from Y! Search use the wrong namespace.

In the case of SimplePie, as of the most recent release, we simply
normalized the usage of the correct and incorrect namespaces
internally so that we can parse Media RSS elements either way.


=========================================
Ryan Parman
Creator and Co-Developer
SimplePie

http://simplepie.org



On Feb 21, 2008, at 12:25 AM, Sean Gilligan wrote:

> Is anyone from Yahoo still on this list?
>
> The mediarss spec at http://search.yahoo.com/mrss still says that
> there
> should not be a trailing slash on the namespace URI.
>
> The last official message
> (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-media/message/1008) we got
> from
> a Yahoo person (David Hall) on the subject said the trailing slash
> should be there. http://feedvalidator.org/ also says it should be
> there.
>
> Looking at the spec with WayBack machine
> (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://search.yahoo.com/mrss) shows that
> the presence or absence of the trailing slash has changed at least
> three
> times, none of which are documented in the revision history.
>
> Can someone from Yahoo please make sure the following things happen:
>
> 1) Correct the document to have the trailing slash once again
> 2) Add an explicit sentence that says the trailing slash should be
> there
> despite earlier versions of the spec
> 3) Add a comment to the document revision history indicating the
> change
> (perhaps the version should bump to 1.1.2, but it could stay 1.1.1 and
> the correction would note that 1.1.1 always required a trailing slash,
> there was just a typo in the spec)
>
> For extra credit:
> 4) Have http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/ not return a 404 and a search
> form
> 5) Have http://search.yahoo.com/mrss redirect to
> http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/
>
> I think this would help eliminate a good deal of confusion.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean Gilligan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>




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Is anyone from Yahoo still on this list? The mediarss spec at http://search.yahoo.com/mrss still says that there should not be a trailing slash on the...
Sean Gilligan
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Feb 21, 2008
8:25 am

AFAIK, Jeremy Zawodny from Yahoo! is currently responsible for the spec. My own previous requests to him have either gone unanswered or un-acted upon. Based on...
Ryan Parman
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Feb 22, 2008
5:10 am

... That is very interesting. If this were to be the case are there other iniciatives that are looking at this area that would be good to consult or bring into...
Mick Fuzz
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Feb 24, 2008
4:18 am

Members of the standards community should absolutely take the initiative to maintain and improve the spec. Seriously. It's no slam on yahoo to have birthed...
Lucas Gonze
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Feb 25, 2008
3:47 pm

Folks, I do apologize for the delayed response on behalf of Yahoo. Having gotten into the Media team only recently, I was not aware that there were revisions...
Sapna
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Feb 25, 2008
4:52 pm

... Once the spec is updated, I plan to cleanup and update the following warning to become an error: ...
Sam Ruby
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Feb 25, 2008
5:35 pm

Thanks, Sapna (and David and Lucas) for responding! Should the version be bumped to 1.1.2? Will you be able to have the URL of the spec be ...
Sean Gilligan
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Feb 25, 2008
7:55 pm

Thank you for clarifying and modifying the spec! It has caused a number of problems in the past with integration with various media players. (Now, if only...
Frank Sinton
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Feb 25, 2008
8:14 pm

Hi, I have been following and been a member since the initiation of this group. May be it is a good idea to let other members help to maintain and enhance the ...
Prabhanjan G
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Feb 25, 2008
9:20 pm

Prabhanjan, I would invite you to take initiative in this area. Yahoo can only profit from working with yourself and other members of the internet community....
Lucas Gonze
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Feb 25, 2008
10:09 pm

As Sapna had stated earlier, we at Yahoo! are committed to helping enhance and maintain the spec. So, if you have any enhancement suggestions please keep them...
Akash
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Feb 25, 2008
11:04 pm

I spent some time as a contractor for Yahoo! recently, and on several occasions I tried the internal RSS iList as well as Jeremy Zadowny (who said that he was...
Ryan Parman
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Feb 25, 2008
11:44 pm

I would try to convey this message to some folks I know. -abdul ... -- -abdul ... http://abdulqabiz.com/blog/...
Abdul Qabiz
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Feb 26, 2008
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Folks, I just wanted to update you on the issue of the trailing slash. We have made the changes to the spec in our system, and this is planned to be pushed to...
sapna
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Feb 29, 2008
1:32 pm

Are there any unit tests for Media RSS compliance? Or is there only a spec? ========================================= Ryan Parman Creator and Co-Developer ...
Ryan Parman
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Mar 6, 2008
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Folks, I just wanted to let you know that the spec has been updated. Thanks, Sapna _____ From: rss-media@yahoogroups.com [mailto:rss-media@yahoogroups.com] On...
sapna
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Mar 15, 2008
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Thanks for making this happen. -m...
mdubinko
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Mar 21, 2008
2:49 pm

Hi guys - As most of you know, I'm no longer at Yahoo but let me see if I can track down a few folks to get some attention on this. I wouldn't say that Yahoo...
David Hall
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Feb 25, 2008
3:34 pm

Sorry for the late response. Here's what I was about to write the other day... Short version: You don't need to fork it. You can move the spec and we'll point...
Jeremy Zawodny
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Mar 6, 2008
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I'm the chairman of the RSS Advisory Board, a group that has been involved in publishing RSS specs and namespaces since 2003. Netscape recently asked us to be...
Rogers Cadenhead
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Mar 7, 2008
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I think RSS advisory board would be a better home for Media RSS. I would like to be involved and help in any ways that I can. Would be delighted to join the...
Prabhanjan G
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Mar 8, 2008
6:16 am

I personally would like it to move over to the RSS Advisory Board myself. I'm subscribed to that list, and I think it would be a good way to push forward with...
Ryan Parman
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Mar 7, 2008
12:21 am

This seems completely reasonable and desireable to me....
Lucas Gonze
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Mar 7, 2008
12:31 am

Hi, I'm also favorable to RSS Media being transfered to the RSS board. I'd be glad to help keep RSS Media vibrant, whether it means joining the RSS Advisory...
Erwan Loisant
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Mar 7, 2008
12:59 am

Following up on what Jeremy said, I spoke with some Yahoo folks last week and I'm pretty confident you'll see the specification moving to a reasonable...
David Hall
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Mar 7, 2008
1:20 am

Good to hear. :) I know I've nagged before, but this should be a simple yes/no answer: Are there currently existing unit tests for Media RSS? (i.e. what is the...
Ryan Parman
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Mar 7, 2008
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I don't know of such tests within Yahoo, which is a convervative way of saying that they don't exist. -Lucas...
Lucas Gonze
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Mar 7, 2008
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... there ... from ... there. ... that ... three ... there ... change ... and ... slash, ... form ... thanks for your melp me ,i am going try whir these things...
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Feb 25, 2008
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The namespace has been "corrected" to have the trailing slash ... aside from the merits of this change (dates back many years to the distinction + use between...
swveoh
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Oct 31, 2008
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You could either define two different prefixes, one with the slash and one without and use union (|) operators on every name test, or you could implement a...
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