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Ok, folks, believe it or not, we got a pretty decent set of changes to
add. We've been "behind the scenes" talking with a lot of folks,
trying to figure out what Media RSS was missing, and trying to
decipher what made the most sense to add.

The purpose of some of these might not be immediately clear, but we
tried to be selective. I don't know if I need to comment too terribly
much on this, but it appears that Media RSS, and RSS, in a certain
sense is morphing to support data exchange between systems. And in
some cases, this could even be a semi-private data exchange between
two closed systems. I think it's in our best interests to make sure we
solve those problems as well without diverging too much the original
heart of RSS. (In other words, more flexibility with the element's
"scheme", as well as new elements that might seem a little bloated)

Hopefully, you'll find the changes interesting (some definitely more
than others). We even did something I really, really didn't want to do
- and that was to "degrade" an element. Well, <media:adult> is gone.
It was too opinionated and inflexible. Hellooooo <media:rating>.

Anyway, I hereby humbly submit 1.1.0 for your viewing pleasure.
Reminder: this is just a working copy. Please take a look at it at
your earliest convenience and drop some feedback. If posting to the
group makes your belly nervous, feel free to email me directly at:
davidh@....

The PDF is in the file section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-media/files/

Here's a quick list of the changes, some are deeper than they might
appear, so please read the spec:

Improved global syndication capabilities:
- Corrected spelling mistakes.
- Add xml:lang attributes to media:text and media:content.
- Degraded <media:adult>, and added <media:rating> as a replacement.
- Modified <media:credit> to give more flexibility to represent things
other than people or companies.
- Added <media:description> element.
- Added medium attribute to <media:content> to explicitly determine
what type of media is expressed.
- Added <media:restriction> element.
- Added <meda:keywords> element.
- Added a "Best Practices" section to encourage use of the Feed
History module, and Dublin Core's expiration capability.
- Add time code information to <media:thumbnail> and <media:text>

Thanks, and give us that feedback!
-David






Fri Sep 2, 2005 3:50 pm

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Ok, folks, believe it or not, we got a pretty decent set of changes to add. We've been "behind the scenes" talking with a lot of folks, trying to figure out...
David Hall
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BTW, it appears that the Doc->PDF conversion tool isn't turning things into hyperlinks. If there are any links in particular you want to know about, let me...
David Hall
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Sep 2, 2005
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Hi - I hope everyone had a great weekend. PDF has been uploaded with all the fixes suggested thus far. Please take a moment to read over the document. We're...
David Hall
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Sep 6, 2005
4:15 pm

... - I think you want to say the media:adult element has been deprecated, rather than degraded. - media:title and media:description should be specific about...
Robert Sayre
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Sep 6, 2005
4:49 pm

Robert's winning with the fixes.... ... deprecated, ... Fixed, thanks! ... Ok, thoughts on if we should allow it or not? My gut reaction would be no. ... ...
David Hall
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Sep 6, 2005
5:14 pm

... Well, if you don't allow it at first, you run the risk of people doing it anyway (which happened to <description> in RSS). My suggestion would be to make...
Robert Sayre
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Sep 6, 2005
6:02 pm

... Allow media:hash to have 0 or N instances as long as every instance is a different algo....
Lucas Gonze
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Sep 6, 2005
10:34 pm

... In that case, how about <media:md5> and <media:sha1>. Other algorithms can make up their own element. Robert Sayre...
Robert Sayre
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Sep 6, 2005
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:50:59 +0200, David Hall <daviddhall@...> ... After first read-through. I might have more later. ... Should be <media:keywords>....
Andreas Haugstrup
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Sep 2, 2005
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... Fixed! I'll upload in a bit. ... Jury is still out on that one. I was assuming that would be an edge case. Is this far more common than I am anticipating? ...
David Hall
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 18:50:47 +0200, David Hall <daviddhall@...> ... Anyone who has a terms of use page. I mean, you *could* fit five paragraphs of text...
Andreas Haugstrup
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Sep 6, 2005
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... Does anyone have a problem with this suggestion? My only "theoretical" complaint is that suddenly the actual copyright isn't in the value space of the...
David Hall
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Sep 6, 2005
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... I thought the same as Andreas at first... but then I started thinking more about the problem. Various playlist types don't really tell you if its audio or...
Joshua Kinberg
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Sep 6, 2005
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... I don't know of any playlist types where they tell you if an item is video or audio. The closest parallel situation is in SMIL, which has different tags...
Lucas Gonze
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Sep 6, 2005
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On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:58:28 +0200, David Hall <daviddhall@...> ... Playing devil's advocate on myself.. It gets annoying if people start writing things...
Andreas Haugstrup
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Sep 6, 2005
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... What do you use that data for, David? Is there a specific feature that this enables?...
Lucas Gonze
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Sep 6, 2005
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Well, from the search perspective, if we're going to allow folks to be in our index, we want to know what "type" of object it is in order to appropriately show...
David Hall
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Sep 6, 2005
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... I suggest adjusting the xml:lang reference to XML 1.0, third edition. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#sec-lang-tag Robert Sayre...
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... Changed, thanks!...
David Hall
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Hi David, I'm new on this group, so I apologize if I've missed the point of media RSS :) Anyway, the spec looks good, a simple way to add media information to ...
Steve Cayzer
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Sep 6, 2005
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... Nope, sounds like you got it! ... Thanks for the pointer. As a matter of fact, a few of the properties are most likely to be added. Such as Sampling Rate...
David Hall
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Sep 6, 2005
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... Well, for now, just replacing 'video' (framerate) and 'audio and video' (duration) with the more neutral 'media object' should do it. ... Oops, sorry...
Steve Cayzer
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Sep 7, 2005
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... I take it that my proposals [1] are unwelcome? Regards, Suzan Foster. -- [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-media/message/474...
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Sep 7, 2005
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Suzan, As I'm new to the list, I'm afraid I missed these. On a quick scan, they look just the ticket! You've shown how to represent the media element in RSS1.0...
Steve Cayzer
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Sep 7, 2005
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(delurking) ... Suzan and I have had occasional discussions about media-rss support to my RSS tag soup parser inside raptor (http://librdf.org/raptor) to turn ...
Dave Beckett
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Sep 7, 2005
2:06 pm

... too. ... I spoke with Sam Ruby about how Media RSS might work best with Atom, and what I took away from our brief chat was that what we have now should...
David Hall
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Sep 7, 2005
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... That's probably a bit harsher than necessary. Like most RSS extensions, media RSS as it is will work just fine with Atom. If you do end up multiple...
Sam Ruby
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Sep 7, 2005
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... Clarifying: that's probably a bit harder >>on Media RSS<< than necessary. By and large, Media RSS looks like any number of extensions that can be used...
Sam Ruby
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Sep 7, 2005
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... I have focussed on adding support for enclosures in raptor's rss-tag-soup parser. I have also started on a first attempt to implement Media RSS 1.0....
Suzan Foster
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