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Reply | Forward Message #1057 of 1975 |
Re: [rss-public] Re: channel/image default width and height

A. Pagaltzis wrote:
> * James Holderness <j4_james@...> [2006-10-27 12:20]:
>> A. Pagaltzis wrote:
>>> To me the language you quote clearly means that an image must
>>> be resized to whatever width and height is specified in the
>>> feed, with absent values defaulting to the given sizes. The
>>> image's own dimensions are never to be considered at all.
>> Fair enough. I just thought (and still think) that was
>> a strange thing to do and I haven't seen any other aggregators
>> interpret it that way which is why I thought it might have been
>> a mistake in the spec. Actually, I would have said it was
>> *obviously* a mistake, but I guess it's not obvious to everyone
>> else so I'm probably wrong.
>
> No, it *is* a strange thing and it *is* obviously a mistake, no
> doubt about it. I was just saying that in my reading, the
> language in the spec leaves no room for any other interpretation,
> however nonsensical the prescribed behaviour may be. I certainly
> won't fault any aggregator for not complying with this aspect of
> the spec.

One could make a similar argument about adding attributes in namespaces
to existing core elements. On a number of elements, the existing spec
gives a list of attributes that are permitted. At no point does it say
"and you can add any other ones you wish". The original RSS 2.0 spec
also provides a section on extensibility, and permits exactly one form.

From my perspective, it seems to me that this advisory board has taken
a bizarre turn recently, from clarifying and providing helpful
observations on the state of practice (e.g., "produces should be aware
that not all clients respect the default"), to declaring portion of the
spec that are perceived to be inconvenient to be "sloppy" and engaging
in the writing of a new spec; in the process also ignoring the RoadMap
contained therein.

I'll also note that the proposed draft itself choses to omit the RoadMap
entirely.

Accordingly, I am hereby asking that my name be removed from the draft,
the profile, and any other documents produced by this advisory board;
and furthermore not be mentioned in other venues (like weblog postings)
that draw attention to this work.

- Sam Ruby



Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:06 pm

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In the original RSS spec, the description for the width and height sub-elements of channel/image are given as: "Maximum value for width is 144, default value...
James Holderness
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... I don't follow how you interpret "default value is N" to mean "default value is the image's size." To me the language you quote clearly means that an image...
A. Pagaltzis
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Oct 27, 2006
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... That's not really what I'm saying. My belief is that the spec may have been poorly worded, and when he wrote "default" he may have meant "typical". Given...
James Holderness
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... No, it *is* a strange thing and it *is* obviously a mistake, no doubt about it. I was just saying that in my reading, the language in the spec leaves no...
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... One could make a similar argument about adding attributes in namespaces to existing core elements. On a number of elements, the existing spec gives a list...
Sam Ruby
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Oct 27, 2006
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... I'll remove your name from the Credits section of both documents in the next draft, but I hope you change your mind before the drafting process is over....
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... Please define "RSS" as used in this sentence. I know of at least three distinct meanings for this term, and this statement only applies to one of them --...
Sam Ruby
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... You wrote this in reply to my mail, but I'm not sure whether it was specifically addressed at me, at least partially, or only at the group in general. So...
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... Aristotle, I was agreeing with you. I recognize that this advisory board has a hard job. For example, in the recent skipDays discussion -- as openly...
Sam Ruby
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... and ... You're treating an intermediate step in a long process -- drafting a spec and a profile -- as if it were the final word on the matter. The original...
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... In that case, how about escaped HTML in author names? Is WordPress sufficient justification? Does the RSS 2.0 specification SPECIFICALLY disallow such? ...
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The default values for a channel image's height and width were always intended to be default values. In Netscape's RSS 0.91, the spec states this for width: ...
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... Then maybe we should add a warning to the profile that lets feed producers know that those defaults are unlikely to be supported in practice. Actually the...
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... Wait a minute. I admit my overenthusiasm for "fixing" RSS may have resulted in suggestions that are active changes to the spec, but that isn't my ...
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... I agree wholeheartedly....
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... Cool, that's the way it should work. ... Randy has noted that "The schema attribute is harmless" and followed up with "I'll propose a change to the spec to...
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... Um, that should read: The fact that this change was incorporated into the draft in a manner that is in variance with the road map is what I object to. -...
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