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Reply | Forward Message #950 of 1975 |
Re: extension attrs? [was: Bidirectional content]

This is open for debate. IMHO. The spec, on the other hand, if read
literally, is clear on the matter.
Thanks,

Randy Charles Morin
http://www.kbcafe.com/rss

--- In rss-public@yahoogroups.com, Sam Ruby <rubys@...> wrote:
>
> Randy Morin wrote:
> > I'm taking the 5th of that one ;-)
>
> Permit me to rephrase the question then. Are namespaced qualified
> attributes on core RSS 2.0 elements permitted, discouraged, or
> disallowed by the Profile that this group is defining?
>
> - Sam Ruby
>







Tue Oct 3, 2006 7:41 pm

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There's a thread that's just started in the Atom syntax WG on the subject of bidirectional content in Atom feeds. It seems they're currently proposing an ...
James Holderness
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Oct 3, 2006
1:51 pm

Using the unicode controls are likely the only reliable mechanism. If bidi in RSS is required, use UTF-8 and insert RLE's and RLO's as appropriate. - James...
James M Snell
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Oct 3, 2006
2:45 pm

... In description and content:encoded, one can also use the dir attribute provided by HTML [1]. - Sam Ruby [1]...
Sam Ruby
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Oct 3, 2006
2:59 pm

At this point, I think we should simply document the Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm. Does anybody have any other experiences working with bidirectional...
Randy Morin
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Oct 3, 2006
3:17 pm

... http://www.w3.org/International/articles/inline-bidi-markup/Overview.he.php * once you have scanned the page, click on "English" in the top left * once you...
Sam Ruby
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Oct 3, 2006
3:44 pm

... The unicode direction formatting codes only deal with part of the problem. They tell the text renderer in what order to process a string of characters. ...
James Holderness
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Oct 3, 2006
3:25 pm

Question. This isn't a problem with description, which can contain escaped HTML and the dir attribute (as Sam points out), but is a problem with title, which...
Randy Morin
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Oct 3, 2006
3:32 pm

... Elements potentially affected include: channel: description, category, copyright, generator, managingEditor, webmaster image: title, description ...
Sam Ruby
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Oct 3, 2006
3:50 pm

Yeah, I know, but for the plain text elements in RSS there really isn't another option without introducing a dir attribute or some extension element or just...
James M Snell
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Oct 3, 2006
3:40 pm

Just use HTML for everything is likely a problem considering that most RSS client/publishers work otherwise. So, I would go with option #1, add dir where...
Randy Morin
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Oct 3, 2006
4:14 pm

... At the moment, the feed validator does not enforce this restriction. Should it? - Sam Ruby...
Sam Ruby
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Oct 3, 2006
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I'm taking the 5th of that one ;-)...
Randy Morin
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Oct 3, 2006
6:59 pm

... Permit me to rephrase the question then. Are namespaced qualified attributes on core RSS 2.0 elements permitted, discouraged, or disallowed by the Profile...
Sam Ruby
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Oct 3, 2006
7:30 pm

This is open for debate. IMHO. The spec, on the other hand, if read literally, is clear on the matter. Thanks, Randy Charles Morin http://www.kbcafe.com/rss...
Randy Morin
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Oct 3, 2006
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... I'm guessing that you're basing this on the following section of the spec ... "RSS 2.0 adds that capability, following a simple rule. A RSS feed may ...
rcade
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Oct 3, 2006
7:34 pm

... This would be ideal, but unfortunately there are a lot of feeds that still consider the description element to be plain text (as in RSS 0.9x). Take a look...
James Holderness
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Oct 3, 2006
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... For the most part elements like title aren't a problem since they don't typically wrap over multiple lines. Any bidirectional issues can theoretically be...
James Holderness
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Oct 3, 2006
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Anglocentric, yes, but this assumption is in-line with the (X)HTML dir attribute which defaults to "ltr". - James...
James M Snell
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Oct 3, 2006
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... The difference is that HTML has had the ability to do some kind of right justification for years now. Support for HTML content in RSS is relatively recent...
James Holderness
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Oct 4, 2006
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... Interestingly enough, someone is already doing this in the wild. This is an RSS 0.91 feed using a dir attribute on title and description elements: ...
James Holderness
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Oct 4, 2006
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Just to reiterate a comment I made over on the Atom list, I'm definitely in favor of this but I'm not sure the lro and rlo values are really necessary. Can we...
James M Snell
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Oct 4, 2006
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... Interestingly, the titles are also XHTML - not entity escaped HTML, but well formed XML directly embedded in the content. - Sam Ruby...
Sam Ruby
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Oct 5, 2006
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... I can't think of any scenarios where a dir attribute is absolutely necessary except on description elements either. I expect everything else could quite ...
James Holderness
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Oct 5, 2006
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(cross posted to the atom-syntax list) ... Ok, I can understand the argument and although I can't imagine any real world use cases, I can see how the lro and...
James M Snell
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Oct 5, 2006
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I like this because it doesn't require a change to the spec. Good idea James, Randy Charles Morin http://www.kbcafe.com/rss...
Randy Morin
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Oct 5, 2006
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... I considered that, but if we can't use an attribute I think I'd rather not have anything at all. I'd recommend feed producers use HTML dir attributes in...
James Holderness
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Oct 6, 2006
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