A proposal has been made for the RSS Advisory Board to take over publication of
the Media-RSS specification and maintenance of the RSS-Media mailing list.
Details here:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-board/message/295

We welcome comments from the public on the proposal.

I support the proposal.

Joly MacFie



On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Rogers <cadenhead@...> wrote:

> A proposal has been made for the RSS Advisory Board to take over
> publication of the Media-RSS specification and maintenance of the RSS-Media
> mailing list. Details here:
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-board/message/295
>
> We welcome comments from the public on the proposal.
>
>
> --
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The proposal to take over mRSS has passed unanimously.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-board/message/316
Thanks,

Randy

--- In rss-public@yahoogroups.com, "Rogers" <cadenhead@...> wrote:
>
> A proposal has been made for the RSS Advisory Board to take over publication
of the Media-RSS specification and maintenance of the RSS-Media mailing list.
Details here:
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-board/message/295
>
> We welcome comments from the public on the proposal.
>

As part of the RSS Advisory Board becoming custodian of the Media RSS
specification, I've prepared a copy of the spec here:

http://www.rssboard.org/media-rss

This is a draft copy of the current version of the spec that still requires some
proofreading. Your help would be appreciated.

The namespace declaration will remain http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/ even though
the board is now publishing the spec.

While I was preparing the document, I fixed some typos, HTML markup errors and
two examples that did not follow the spec. I also added the geoRSS namespace
declaration to the last example.

The specification now has a Table of Contents and internal links to each
element, making it easier to refer to them here on RSS-Media and elsewhere:

http://www.rssboard.org/media-rss#table-of-contents

One thing I could not fix involves this line in the Change Notes:

"Modified ????? to have a URL attribute for better module consistency."

I can't find an older version of the spec that indicates which element was
modified to add a URL attribute.

On behalf of the board, I'd like to thank Sapna Chandiramani and the other
members of Yahoo who have worked on the spec for the past five years.

The board is also taking over management of RSS-Media, the mailing list for the
public to ask questions, offer feedback and discuss implementations of the
namespace.

Rogers wrote:
> One thing I could not fix involves this line in the Change Notes:
>
> "Modified ????? to have a URL attribute for better module consistency."

media:thumbnail - the attribute used to be "href". You can still find
examples of the old usage out there.

And it was changed to a "url" attribute not a "URL" attribute.

Kind of tragic when you realise that version 1.5.0 just threw all that
consistency out the window.

Regards
James

I want to make use of these (new?) meta data elements but i publish Atom
feeds instead of RSS.  Are these specifications compatible with Atom feeds
such that i can just put this name-space into Atom and use these properties
there?  Will any aggregator ever see them in my Atom feed?

--
Seth Russell
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/people/Seth-Russell/100000470462538
Blogging: http://fastblogit.com/seth/
Developing: http://tagtalking.net/
Shopping: http://www.speaktomecatalog.com


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0329200717250000

-----Original Message-----
From: James Holderness <j4_james@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 5:13 PM
To: rss-public@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [rss-public] Use case for RSS XML Namespace: RssCloud Atom
Extension


masonglee wrote:
  > I think I have another good use case for there being a "recognized"
  > namespace to use when reusing the RSS schema elements out of RSS context:
  >
  > http://masonlee.org/2009/09/11/rsscloud-atom-extension/

  From the rsscloud.org website:
  "Just define a namespace to have a single element in it, the <cloud> element
  from RSS 2.0.
  If you need a URL for the namespace, please consider using the URL for this
  site. "

  That implies a one-off namespace for just the cloud element, which I'm not
  sure is a great idea, but it appears to be Dave's current recommendation. We
  shall see whether that gains traction or not. AFAICT Wordpress doesn't yet
  support RSS cloud in their Atom feeds.

  Regards
  James




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-----Original Message-----
From: Rogers <cadenhead@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:26 PM
To: rss-public@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rss-public] Re: Use case for RSS XML Namespace: RssCloud Atom
Extension


--- In rss-public@yahoogroups.com, "James Holderness" <j4_james@...> wrote:
  > That implies a one-off namespace for just the cloud element, which I'm not
  > sure is a great idea, but it appears to be Dave's current recommendation We
  > shall see whether that gains traction or not. AFAICT Wordpress doesn't yet
  > support RSS cloud in their Atom feeds.

  A better way to handle the use of RSS elements in other XML dialects would be
the proposal we've been batting around. Revise the RSS spec to declare that when
RSS elements are used in other formats, the namespace URI should be
"http://www.rssboard.org/rss-namespace", but that RSS itself does not have a
namespace.

  Dave's RSSCloud proposal is another use case for the need to have a namespace
for RSS used elsewhere.




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I was surprised to see that the Google News RSS feed fails to get
validated on the http://feedvalidator.org/  This is the RSS URI I
provided from the http://news.google.com/ -
http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&output=rss  Have
anyone tried this before ? Or am I providing a wrong Google news RSS URI
for validation? Pls help.  Thanks!


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deeparaokv wrote:
>I was surprised to see that the Google News RSS feed fails to get
> validated on the http://feedvalidator.org/  This is the RSS URI I
> provided from the http://news.google.com/ -
> http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&output=rss  Have
> anyone tried this before ? Or am I providing a wrong Google news RSS URI
> for validation? Pls help.  Thanks!

That's the current URL for their feed - it's just not valid.

It looks to me like it's just a case of an invalid timezone in the various
date elements - should be "GMT" not "GMT+00:00".

The rest of the problems reported are just warnings. Nothing too serious,
although the "Misplaced Item" warnings are interesting. That's the result of
the channel description element being included at the end of the feed, after
all the items. I'm curious what effect that'll have on feed readers.

Regards
James

I have been fighting with Feedburner for the past 4 hours and I cannot clear
their data from my blog.  I keep getting a error 404 relating to URI being
striped from my template.  I have viewed several help groups and even when onto
the oracle site for help with java as it relates to this whole problem.  Bottom
line,  Feedburner needs to release old data from URL's and it's not.   I cannot
get beyond this issue

Pat

What's the URL of the feed you're having a problem with?

From the Feed Validator, which indicates if I've exceeded the max number of
characters in my ITunes feed, I recieved the following:

Recommendations
This feed is valid, but interoperability with the widest range of feed readers
could be improved by implementing the following recommendations.

•line 3, column 0: Use of unknown namespace: http://www.adobe.com/amp/1.0 [help]

<rss version="2.0"

Currently line 3 reads: <rss version="2.0".  I have no access to the code to 
make the change.  Any suggestions?
Thanks,
provbs1130

There's a blog post up on Dave Winer's Scripting News today that suggests Google
is playing dirty with RSS in a new real-time indexing feature that may use
PubSubHubbub (PuSH).

This post appears to be based on the mistaken notion that PuSH doesn't work with
RSS.

More info on my blog:

http://workbench.cadenhead.org/news/3592

Your help getting the word out would be appreciated. There's some misinformation
out there that makes some people believe PuSH is for Atom publishers and
RSSCloud is for RSS. That's not the case at all.

--- In rss-public@yahoogroups.com, provbs1130@... wrote:
> From the Feed Validator, which indicates if I've exceeded the max number of
characters in my ITunes feed, I recieved the following:
>
> Recommendations
> This feed is valid, but interoperability with the widest range of feed readers
could be improved by implementing the following recommendations.
>
> •line 3, column 0: Use of unknown namespace: http://www.adobe.com/amp/1.0
[help]

That warning just means that the Feed Validator doesn't recognize the namespace
(which looks like something for Adobe Media Player). It's OK to disregard that.
The Adobe namespace features will be ignored in any software that doesn't
support them. All other aspects of the feed are formatted properly.

Could you post the URL of the feed? I'd like to learn more about that namespace.

Hello!
I am developing media RSS feed generator script to allow web indexers to get
metadata and player locations of the videos on the web site. However, there are
about a thousand of videos - with descriptions and other metadata such "united"
feed of the whole site may have length of few megabytes. Usual RSS feeds are not
so large, however I cannot find exact restriction of length in bytes / number of
entries in XML Media RSS feed. Currently, the off-line script generates the
Google video sitemap (also an XML) once per week. The file is large, and it's
being "happily" indexed by Google. However Russian web indexer Yandex and also
Yahoo suggest to use Media RSS format, instead. Should I generate lots of small
Media RSS feeds "on the fly", separately for the every page of the site where
video is presented, or a simplier approach of rewriting video sitemap generator
to Media RSS generator (huge rss feed) will work?
Thanks,
Dmitriy

Hi,

I'm working on creating a new feed, and am using the mrss namespace
(http://www.rssboard.org/media-rss). When I added in media:community, I received
the error: Undefined item element. Doing some more research, I discovered if you
add any element from 5.14 - 5.25 you will get the same error message. The other
elements seem to work fine. Are these elements not yet supported and should I
not use them?

Best,
Rob

Hi-I am not a programmer but I am trying to make an rss feed from my facebook
page http://www.facebook.com/people/Rescue-Volunteer/100000717094455  that I can
post to my animal sanctuary blog page: www.firststop-laststop.com/myblog

When I tried to just post the URL of my fb page as an rss, an error message
appeared on my URL/blogpage.

Any tipe/pointers/is this possible?

Much thanks!

Hello,

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:49 PM, J.D.W <animalrescuevolunteer@...>wrote:

>
>
> Hi-I am not a programmer but I am trying to make an rss feed from my
> facebook page
> http://www.facebook.com/people/Rescue-Volunteer/100000717094455 that I can
> post to my animal sanctuary blog page: www.firststop-laststop.com/myblog
>
> When I tried to just post the URL of my fb page as an rss, an error message
> appeared on my URL/blogpage.
>
> Any tipe/pointers/is this possible?
>

This isn't the correct mailing list to ask these kind of questions, but (in
an effort to be helpful) are you saying you tried using the exact URL below
as an RSS feed?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Rescue-Volunteer/100000717094455

If that's the case, then I should say that, you can't just use any URL as an
RSS feed.  (That Facebook page URL outputs HTML and not RSS.)  The URL must
actually output RSS.  For example, the URL below outputs RSS:

http://changelog.ca/feed/rss

If you look at it in FireFox, you will see that the browser "handles" it
differently (than a URL that outputs HTML).


--
Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
http://changelog.ca/

Everything a Web Developer or Web Designer Should Know - http://w3remix.com/


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Facebook already makes the news feed available that way:

http://www.allfacebook.com/facebook-pages-rss-2010-01


On Oct 19, 2010, at 3:49 PM, J.D.W wrote:

> Hi-I am not a programmer but I am trying to make an rss feed from my facebook
page http://www.facebook.com/people/Rescue-Volunteer/100000717094455 that I can
post to my animal sanctuary blog page: www.firststop-laststop.com/myblog
>
> When I tried to just post the URL of my fb page as an rss, an error message
appeared on my URL/blogpage.
>
> Any tipe/pointers/is this possible?
>
> Much thanks!
>
>

James Robertson
http://www.jarober.com
jarober@...





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Hi, usually a rss feed ends in .xml & the file is named after your site (mine is
http://www.bad-wolf.info/virginia'schristopherecclestonwebsitefeed.xml) you
can't just post the url of your site as a feed, you'd either require FB's own
feed for your site (if they do feeds) or create one manually or use an online
feed creator.

  Virginia.


From: J.D.W
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:49 PM
To: rss-public@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rss-public] making rss from fb page?



Hi-I am not a programmer but I am trying to make an rss feed from my facebook
page http://www.facebook.com/people/Rescue-Volunteer/100000717094455 that I can
post to my animal sanctuary blog page: www.firststop-laststop.com/myblog

When I tried to just post the URL of my fb page as an rss, an error message
appeared on my URL/blogpage.

Any tipe/pointers/is this possible?

Much thanks!





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How do I get an aggregator to recognize when a previously published item
changes?

An example would be if an item was published and was later changed because of a
grammatical error that was corrected.

Mozilla is removing the orange RSS icon from the Address bar in Firefox and
replacing it with a Bookmarks menu item called "Subscribe," as described in this
blog post:

http://camendesign.com/blog/rss_is_dying

Here's Mozilla developer Asa Dotzler's take on why this is good:

"The UI, as it was — a tiny orange button in the addressbar wasn't helping users
use the feature so it was removed. Better UI, a menu item with a real
description of what RSS does, 'subscribe' replaced it. That's a positive step,
not a negative one. Though it may be encountered by fewer users, it will make
much more sense to those who do encounter it."

Although I like the RSS icon and look for it all the time on sites, I'm
wondering whether it's too wonky to further broader mainstream usage of feeds.
It's a good visual identifier for RSS but may not help convey what feeds are or
why users should subscribe to them.

Do you think the icon has been a failure?

It does not have to end in .xml. Thje content-type should be the right one. On
my website, the same url can output json, html, xml and yaml
-----Original Message-----
From: "Virginia/Yahoo" <virginia.walmsley@...>
Sender: rss-public@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:59:47
To: <rss-public@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: rss-public@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [rss-public] making rss from fb page?

Hi, usually a rss feed ends in .xml & the file is named after your site (mine is
http://www.bad-wolf.info/virginia'schristopherecclestonwebsitefeed.xml) you
can't just post the url of your site as a feed, you'd either require FB's own
feed for your site (if they do feeds) or create one manually or use an online
feed creator.

  Virginia.


From: J.D.W
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:49 PM
To: rss-public@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rss-public] making rss from fb page?



Hi-I am not a programmer but I am trying to make an rss feed from my facebook
page http://www.facebook.com/people/Rescue-Volunteer/100000717094455 that I can
post to my animal sanctuary blog page: www.firststop-laststop.com/myblog

When I tried to just post the URL of my fb page as an rss, an error message
appeared on my URL/blogpage.

Any tipe/pointers/is this possible?

Much thanks!





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Although FB uses the term "feed" for the postings that appear in your account,
it's not an RSS feed at all. And FB doesn't want you to "take that feed
elsewhere", they want you to bring your friends to your feed on FB ... and they
hope your encouragement to them will drive non-members of FB to get sign up ...
viral growth and all that.

Here's a better way. Post you item on an RSS feed separate from FB, then post
your items from that feed to FB by 'sharing' it to your account. Each time you
post a new item on your feed, "share" it on FB and you will get ongoing
attention.

If you use Enfeedia.com to publish your RSS feed, each item will include a
facebook "share" button (as well as a LinkedIn "share" button and a StumbleUpon
"recommendation" button). Simply click that FB share button and you can easily
post the item to your FB account. You are also given an opportunity to post a
comment about the item, so, for example, besides your FB friends seeing the item
you are sharing, they will also see your comment. For example, "Here's some news
I just posted on my website, check the details at http://......"

With this strategy, you can write your item once (your own RSS feed) then share
it all over the place without having to rewrite it. :-)

Enfeedia Feed Publishing Service
www.enfeedia.com
RSS NEWS



On Oct 29, 2010, at 1:59 AM, Virginia/Yahoo wrote:

> Hi, usually a rss feed ends in .xml & the file is named after your site (mine
is http://www.bad-wolf.info/virginia'schristopherecclestonwebsitefeed.xml) you
can't just post the url of your site as a feed, you'd either require FB's own
feed for your site (if they do feeds) or create one manually or use an online
feed creator.
>
> Virginia.
>
> From: J.D.W
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:49 PM
> To: rss-public@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [rss-public] making rss from fb page?
>
> Hi-I am not a programmer but I am trying to make an rss feed from my facebook
page http://www.facebook.com/people/Rescue-Volunteer/100000717094455 that I can
post to my animal sanctuary blog page: www.firststop-laststop.com/myblog
>
> When I tried to just post the URL of my fb page as an rss, an error message
appeared on my URL/blogpage.
>
> Any tipe/pointers/is this possible?
>
> Much thanks!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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If the change is significant enough to warrant alerting others as to the change
(and I don't think a typo rises to that level), then repost it as new with your
edits made. If you are using Enfeedia.com to publish your news feed, simply
select "Re-Post as New" after selecting your feed.

Enfeedia Feed Publishing Service
www.enfeedia.com
RSS NEWS


On Nov 24, 2010, at 12:31 PM, bpcolumbia wrote:

> How do I get an aggregator to recognize when a previously published item
changes?
>
> An example would be if an item was published and was later changed because of
a grammatical error that was corrected.
>
>



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I'm the creator of a monthly podcast playing a chart show of Creative
Commons licensed tracks. I'd like to be able to more accurately
describe the content of the podcast, and I initially considered using
the media:scene elements of the MRSS spec, but I need to tailor the
contents slightly to provide more specific details.

As such, I've started to draw up some modifications, it's not a formal
spec, and certainly isn't anywhere near writing up as an amendment or
replacement for MRSS, but I'd like to see what people's opinions are
of the proposed amendments.

The new layout is at http://code.cchits.net/index.php?title=Mrss%2B

Notice that <media:content> is mostly replaced by <media:fullwork>
(allowing some degree of differentiation between the MRSS and MRSS+
specifications) and that a sub-element of the <media:fullwork> is a
<media:partwork> which is loosely comparable to the <media:scene>
element, but that contains many of the elements contained within the
media:fullwork (or media:content) elements, in order to more
accurately describe the content of that section of the programme.

I'd be grateful for any feedback.

Many thanks,
--
Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs

Not at all.  I see variations on the classic icon on numerous individual sites
that advertise their own feed.  I think Mozilla is making a small mistake to
abandon this iconic icon.

--- In rss-public@yahoogroups.com, "Rogers" <cadenhead@...> wrote:
>
> Mozilla is removing the orange RSS icon from the Address bar in Firefox and
replacing it with a Bookmarks menu item called "Subscribe," as described in this
blog post:
>
> http://camendesign.com/blog/rss_is_dying
>
> Here's Mozilla developer Asa Dotzler's take on why this is good:
>
> "The UI, as it was � a tiny orange button in the addressbar wasn't helping
users use the feature so it was removed. Better UI, a menu item with a real
description of what RSS does, 'subscribe' replaced it. That's a positive step,
not a negative one. Though it may be encountered by fewer users, it will make
much more sense to those who do encounter it."
>
> Although I like the RSS icon and look for it all the time on sites, I'm
wondering whether it's too wonky to further broader mainstream usage of feeds.
It's a good visual identifier for RSS but may not help convey what feeds are or
why users should subscribe to them.
>
> Do you think the icon has been a failure?
>

I too have been concerned about the 'illiteracy' regarding the RSS icon.
The graphic is cool but it says nothing. For years I've been publishing
RSS feeds, and developed an RSS feed publishing system, and find that
many people just don't get it regarding that icon. There seems to be
mistrust as to what will happen when one clicks that icon.
So I made a decision to extend upon the standard in a way that I believe
will help people understand the icon when used for certain purposes.
Early feedback has been positive.
To be clear, I continue to include the the standard icon in code
snippets for feeds published through Enfeedia <http://www.enfeedia.com/>
. In fact, I'm rather strict about the link for the icon being the XML
file, not some webpage that discusses RSS and then offers more icons
that finally link to the XML file.
I created a series of icons that are, in a sense, a concatenation of the
standard icon plus a descriptor extension that explains what that
particular version of the icon links to. For example, the icon with the
extension "Alerts" links to a page for registering for email alerts when
items are posted on the associated feed.
To see the full set of icons that I now incorporate into Enfeedia, go to
Behind the Logo <http://www.enfeedia.com/behind-the-logo.php>  .
I am keenly interested in comments to my approach: support and in fact
reinforcement of the standard, plus a set of extended icons for special
purposes related to using feeds. Others are welcome to use the extended
icons and have them link to their proprietary functions consistent with
the extension word.


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Are you publishing the items, or are you consuming them?

If you are the publisher, then you can change the

--- In rss-public@yahoogroups.com, "bpcolumbia" <bjpaasch@...> wrote:
>
> How do I get an aggregator to recognize when a previously published item
changes?
>
> An example would be if an item was published and was later changed because of
a grammatical error that was corrected.
>