Steven,
That sounds very exciting. I think I found a way to generate the RSS
feed from the POP3, but it's now a matter of the toss onto the online
archive. :-)
By sharing the feeds what do you hope to gain?
--- In rss-user@yahoogroups.com, Steven Ericsson Zenith <steven@p...>
wrote:

Hi Patrick,
I know exactly what you mean and my current project has a feature like this on my todo list - conversion of POP mail source to RSS -

indeed, in 

our prototype demonstrated similar. I used to operate a FIDO board in the early eighties and so know well what you are after. We have not announced the project publicly - but it sounds like the

type 

of thing you are after. It is a general purpose collaborative tool of the kind an enterprise would use to aggregate feeds from team members and relevant information sources allowing users to build collections of feeds in categories and allowing those collections to be shared.
We are in alpha stages currently but development - led by myself - is very active.
Steven
Patrick Grote wrote:

Hello,
I am evangilizing RSS in my corporation. I've started with my

organization and

have made some very good inroads. We've moved much of our

communication online

to forums that generate RSS feeds. This is a good thing for us.
My issue is that the external groups we interface with haven't

joined the RSS

bandwagon and continue to use email. Is there a utility or method for tossing email messages into RSS

feeds? For

instance, if we create a mailbox called projects, any email sent to

that email

box will generate an RSS feed. I use the word toss, as back in the day when FidoNet was vibrant

the way you

moved messages from your board to another was to toss it. That's

the metaphor I

am thinking of here. Tossing the email to the RSS feed.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions or solutions.

An interesting feed from one of the pioneers of metadata.

http://oclc.org/research/announcements/oclc_research_announcements.rdf

Dave

I've found that it helps to talk about syndication (the concept)
rather than about RSS (the technology).  Most non-technical folk go
into a sort of vegetatable-like state when you things like "XML."

Explaining concepts like syndication and aggregation makes a little
more sense to them, and things like the fact that you no longer have
to visit all the sites you read, but can have their updates "pushed"
to you.  And if you are trying to convince them to publish, you can
explain to them how syndicating your content allows others to
subscribe to you, which indicates a stronger level of commitment
than simply visiting your page frequently (when they remember).

Greg Gershman
Blogdigger.com - Search Blogs
http://www.blogdigger.com/

--- In rss-user@yahoogroups.com, "Trudy W. Schuett"
<cybermaneditor@m...> wrote:
> So if anybody has discovered a magic formula that will explain RSS
to those
> who are at a level, tech-wise, where they can just barely run
their e-mail,
> I'd appreciate it if you'd share. I'm also beginning to think that
maybe
> there are those who are deliberately making it more difficult than
it needs
> to be.
>

--- In rss-user@yahoogroups.com, "Felipe Fonseca / izq" <listas@h...> wrote=
:
> Patrick, perhaps it´s not exactly what you need, but you
> could set up a weblog with some kind of mail2blog feature

Good point.  Yoz Grahame's "Moblogging" script for MovableType (http://
cheerleader.yoz.com/archives/000771.html) does the basics of this (accepts =
an email,
extracts the message body + photo attachments, and posts them to a local MT=
  blog).
Your local handy YAPerlHacker should be able to customize it to your tastes=
.

Rod. (reading this list through Bloglines's email -> feed collator)

--
:: Rod Begbie :: rod@... ::

Hello, everyone!

Patrick, perhaps it´s not exactly what you need, but you
could set up a weblog with some kind of mail2blog feature
(there are a number of CMSs which work this way) and
simply collect the RSS.

BTW, I´m Felipe, from Brazil. Sorry for any language mistakes.

FelipeFonseca
http://hipocampo.hipercortex.com

>
> Message: 5
>    Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:15:23 -0800 (PST)
>    Wrom: TIPWIGYOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKH
> Subject: Email to RSS Gateway?
>
> Hello,
>
> I am evangilizing RSS in my corporation. I've started with my organization and
> have made some very good inroads. We've moved much of our communication online
> to forums that generate RSS feeds. This is a good thing for us.
>
> My issue is that the external groups we interface with haven't joined the RSS
> bandwagon and continue to use email.
>
> Is there a utility or method for tossing email messages into RSS feeds? For
> instance, if we create a mailbox called projects, any email sent to that email
> box will generate an RSS feed.
>
> I use the word toss, as back in the day when FidoNet was vibrant the way you
> moved messages from your board to another was to toss it. That's the metaphor
I
> am thinking of here. Tossing the email to the RSS feed.
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or solutions.

Roger,

You're quite correct. There are two mods that are being developed to do this:

http://m2f.netclectic.com/index.php
http://www.digitalgraal.dyndns.org/

They haven't been release as of yet.

One solution I did find was called Fud Forum.

http://fud.prohost.org/features.php

One of the features:
:NNTP & Mailing List integration, allowing FUDforum to be used to archive
newsgroups & mailing lists, as well as allow forum members to post messages to
newsgroups and mailing lists via the forum."

They generate RSS feeds based on the forum postings. Looks like an ideal
solution, so I'll be checking that out.

Thanks for the direction, Roger!

--- "Roger B." <rogben@...> wrote:
> > The next step would be to identify a solution that takes the email,
> > tosses it into forum software (such as PHPBB) and generates a feed.
>
> Patrick,
>
> JournURL does that, but as a hosted service, it isn't going to suit your
> "behind the firewall" needs. I've *got* to believe that you can do this with
> your existing phpbb, though... someone out there has to have written a mod
> that will poll an email address and post whatever it finds.
>
> (I didn't find such a thing on my first pass through Google, but that's
> probably just a result of my lack of familiarity with the phpbb community
> more than anything. I definitely spotted a couple folks asking about it,
> though.)
>
> --
> Roger
> JournURL: http://journurl.com/
> blog: http://admin.support.journurl.com/
>
>
>
>
>

Trudy,

This is how I explained it to our librarians:

"With RSS you decide from who you get information off the Internet. It
arrives onto your desktop -- usually minutes after it is written.  It
is presented in a consistent format. You never get spam because you
never give out your address. It is analogous to broadcast TV. RSS
producers make the content and you receive it  --  with the benefit of
your PC acting as a recorder and saving only those stations you
choose."

For our director I explained how RSS could focus his energy: "With RSS
you would send a press release to be instantly delivered to everyone
who is interested in our news. They don't feel it is spam because
they've asked to receive all our news. It is focused on the right
people -- not to a 1000 overwhelmed random email boxes. It is
delivered to those who want to stay on top of information. Unlike the
faxes you send to all the local news outlets it won't be picked up by
an intern and tossed into a slush pile. This information goes straight
to the reporter."

I also added that "With an internal RSS feed you could make
announcements that immediately go to each person. No more waiting for
each to open his or her email."

Yes, I know every reporter doesn't have an RSS feed, but  someday....


Chuck Welch
http://www.blogjazz.com//index.xml
http://www.blogjazz.com/indexatom.xml











----- Original Message -----
From: "Trudy W. Schuett" <cybermaneditor@...>
To: <rss-user@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 3:38 AM
Subject: [rss-user] Explaining RSS to the tech-impaired


> I teach promotion to newly-published authors thru an online program
and
> occasional workshops at Arizona Western College. For that reason, I
keep
> informed on the industry thru PR/marketing discussion groups, etc.
>
> So I'm around a lot of indie-published authors, marketers and PR
people, and
> have been trying to explain RSS since early last summer.  For some
reason, a
> lot of these people seem bound and determined not to understand it.
To me,
> it's not all that hard, because I haven't even tried to understand
*how* it
> works, just that it does.
>
> But I really believe that RSS with blogs is the thing that is going
to take
> off and make the Internet what it is really supposed to be --
accessible to
> anybody with something they want to publish. I'm also concerned that
some of
> those I've developed friendly relationships with over the years are
going to
> lose their shirts by continuing to beat the dead horse of e-mail
> marketing/promotion, and I hate to see that happen!
>
> Dan Gillmor has issued what amounts to an ultimatum to the PR
people -- get
> an RSS feed, folks, because I really don't want e-mailed press
releases
> anymore, is what he says, pretty much. I'm right with him on that.
There's
> already so much available thru RSS feeds I'm personally light years
ahead of
> some long-term, big bucks agencies as far as information and
industry news
> goes. Yet a lot of the PR people are whinging about it, big time.
They're
> still trying to maintain RSS is a fad that will go away.
>
> So if anybody has discovered a magic formula that will explain RSS
to those
> who are at a level, tech-wise, where they can just barely run their
e-mail,
> I'd appreciate it if you'd share. I'm also beginning to think that
maybe
> there are those who are deliberately making it more difficult than
it needs
> to be.
>
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> The next step would be to identify a solution that takes the email,
> tosses it into forum software (such as PHPBB) and generates a feed.

Patrick,

JournURL does that, but as a hosted service, it isn't going to suit your
"behind the firewall" needs. I've *got* to believe that you can do this with
your existing phpbb, though... someone out there has to have written a mod
that will poll an email address and post whatever it finds.

(I didn't find such a thing on my first pass through Google, but that's
probably just a result of my lack of familiarity with the phpbb community
more than anything. I definitely spotted a couple folks asking about it,
though.)

--
Roger
JournURL: http://journurl.com/
blog: http://admin.support.journurl.com/

I teach promotion to newly-published authors thru an online program and
occasional workshops at Arizona Western College. For that reason, I keep
informed on the industry thru PR/marketing discussion groups, etc.

So I'm around a lot of indie-published authors, marketers and PR people, and
have been trying to explain RSS since early last summer.  For some reason, a
lot of these people seem bound and determined not to understand it. To me,
it's not all that hard, because I haven't even tried to understand *how* it
works, just that it does.

But I really believe that RSS with blogs is the thing that is going to take
off and make the Internet what it is really supposed to be -- accessible to
anybody with something they want to publish. I'm also concerned that some of
those I've developed friendly relationships with over the years are going to
lose their shirts by continuing to beat the dead horse of e-mail
marketing/promotion, and I hate to see that happen!

Dan Gillmor has issued what amounts to an ultimatum to the PR people -- get
an RSS feed, folks, because I really don't want e-mailed press releases
anymore, is what he says, pretty much. I'm right with him on that. There's
already so much available thru RSS feeds I'm personally light years ahead of
some long-term, big bucks agencies as far as information and industry news
goes. Yet a lot of the PR people are whinging about it, big time. They're
still trying to maintain RSS is a fad that will go away.

So if anybody has discovered a magic formula that will explain RSS to those
who are at a level, tech-wise, where they can just barely run their e-mail,
I'd appreciate it if you'd share. I'm also beginning to think that maybe
there are those who are deliberately making it more difficult than it needs
to be.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Trudy W. Schuett
http://cybermancreative.homestead.com
http://desertlightjournal.blog-city.com/index.cfm
http://wolves.typepad.com/wolves/

liza sabater wrote:

> is it possible not to get spammed through these?
>
If you're referring to email-to-rss gateways, then yes, technically it's
possible to get spammed through them. What the gateways rely upon are
difficult-to-guess receiving email addresses. In the cases of Mailbucket
and Dodgeit, the user picks a (hopefully) difficult to guess email
address at those sites. With Bloglines, we use a combination of the
user's name and a number picked by us.

In any case, because the receiving email addresses are not in any
directory, the theory is that spammers will have a difficult time
picking up on them (they'd have to make a pretty lucky guess to find an
appropriate email address). And if they do, you can always switch to
another receiving email address. In fact, this theory is what several
anti-spam services are based on, like Mailinator.

On the topic of email to rss gateways, one thing to look for in whatever
solution you use is how the software handles complex email, like HTML or
email with embedded images or attachments, or email encoded in different
character sets. This may or may not be important to you. Bloglines is
the only service or software that I'm aware of that handles these types
of email correctly. Mailbucket and Dodgeit both strip HTML email and
drop any attachments.

And I'd like to re-emphasize a previous poster's point that if you will
be syndicating non-public content, you should not use a service like
Mailbucket or Dodgeit, because they offer no security in that regard.
Most likely if you're distributing company-internal content, you'll want
an in-house solution.

Hope this helps.

Mark
--
Mark Fletcher
Bloglines
http://www.bloglines.com

I agree. That's where I see the power of RSS and a backend to collect
the information. I see RSS as the gateway to that information.

There has been a ton of chatter on the interoperability of RSS and
that is it's greatest strength. You can take any information and in a
moment have it in a format that can be used across all platforms.

One of the other other things I like about RSS, to steal a line from
Ron Popeil, is the set it and forget it factor.

You tuck a feed into your aggregator and you don't have to concern
yourself with looking for that information again. Combined with the
power of Feedster and a flexible aggregator such as Bloglines, you are
looking at probably the cutting edge of static agent computing right now.

--- In rss-user@yahoogroups.com, liza sabater <listdiva@c...> wrote:
> All in all, I see RSS as the possibility of creating a meta-community
> from the different, yet very similar, online communities that I
> participate in.

Steven,

That sounds very exciting. I think I found a way to generate the RSS
feed from the POP3, but it's now a matter of the toss onto the online
archive. :-)

By sharing the feeds what do you hope to gain?

--- In rss-user@yahoogroups.com, Steven Ericsson Zenith <steven@p...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Patrick,
>
> I know exactly what you mean and my current project has a feature like
> this on my todo list - conversion of POP mail source to RSS -
indeed, in
> our prototype demonstrated similar.  I used to operate a FIDO board in
> the early eighties and so know well what you are after.
>
> We have not announced the project publicly - but it sounds like the
type
> of thing you are after.  It is a general purpose collaborative tool of
> the kind an enterprise would use to aggregate feeds from team members
> and relevant information sources allowing users to build collections of
> feeds in categories and allowing those collections to be shared.
>
> We are in alpha stages currently but development - led by myself - is
> very active.
>
> Steven
>
>
> Patrick Grote wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >I am evangilizing RSS in my corporation. I've started with my
organization and
> >have made some very good inroads. We've moved much of our
communication online
> >to forums that generate RSS feeds. This is a good thing for us.
> >
> >My issue is that the external groups we interface with haven't
joined the RSS
> >bandwagon and continue to use email.
> >
> >Is there a utility or method for tossing email messages into RSS
feeds? For
> >instance, if we create a mailbox called projects, any email sent to
that email
> >box will generate an RSS feed.
> >
> >I use the word toss, as back in the day when FidoNet was vibrant
the way you
> >moved messages from your board to another was to toss it. That's
the metaphor I
> >am thinking of here. Tossing the email to the RSS feed.
> >
> >Thanks in advance for any suggestions or solutions.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-user/
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Pito,

You have some great suggestions. The best way I've been able to move
people into the RSS world is 1:1 demonstration. I have a team of about
30 people. We provide onsite technical and systems support for three
call centers around the country.

I've noticed that taking 20 minutes and walking through my Bloglines
setup and engaging them in finding sites on Newsisfree that appeals to
them turns that light on in their head. It's a great feeling.

We're using PHPBB to drive our communications online now. That
generates an common, shared information space. RSS feeds alert us to
when new items are posted. It's been a process, but well worth it.
We're seeing more people engaging each other across the centers and
it's paying off.

That's why our next step is to route the email that goes to our group
distros to RSS. We get on average 10 emails a day that are sent to the
entire team. If we can take that out of their email boxes and put it
online we're going to see great gains.

In another reply I think I found a start on the technical side.

--- In rss-user@yahoogroups.com, "Pito Salas" <list@s...> wrote:
> Patrick,
>
> Based on my experience with getting other analogous systems adopted,
here's
> one idea:
>
> (1) arrange for some crucial piece of information delivered only through
> RSS, or something everyone is interested in,
>
> (2) arrange for someone with clout to publicly endorse the notion
that this
> is the 'official' way this information gets delivered (you may be that
> someone yourself.)
>
> Without knowing your company it could be something like: Customer
news, new
> deals, HR information, updates from the field or from the CEO, or even
> jokes, news filtered about your company, something like that.
>
> The clout person can send a global email out saying, something like
"we've
> been finding that there's a lot of email cluttering our inboxes so
from now
> on we will be distributing the (e.g.) HR information in the HR
Forum. If you
> want to keep totally up to date, subscribe to the feed..."
>
> I think that might work...
>
> Pito
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Grote [mailto:pgrote@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 11:15 PM
> To: rss-user@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [rss-user] Email to RSS Gateway?
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I am evangilizing RSS in my corporation. I've started with my
organization
> and
> have made some very good inroads. We've moved much of our communication
> online
> to forums that generate RSS feeds. This is a good thing for us.
>
> My issue is that the external groups we interface with haven't
joined the
> RSS
> bandwagon and continue to use email.
>
> Is there a utility or method for tossing email messages into RSS
feeds? For
> instance, if we create a mailbox called projects, any email sent to that
> email
> box will generate an RSS feed.
>
> I use the word toss, as back in the day when FidoNet was vibrant the
way you
> moved messages from your board to another was to toss it. That's the
> metaphor I
> am thinking of here. Tossing the email to the RSS feed.
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or solutions.
>
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Thanks for the response.

I looked at both services and they have the idea of what I'd like to do.

The issue with the services are twofold:

1) It needs to run behind our firewall. We couldn't have our email
bouncing out.
2) It'd be nice to have a historical view of what was sent.

A little Googling based on suggestions here lead me to this:

http://www.ozzie.net/blog/2003/07/20.html#a101

Ray describes it perfectly:
"Rather than just inserting RSS into an email client paradigm as in
Newsgator, it might be amusing to invert the solution and explore the
usability issues of rethinking email as being just another form of
feed served up to a reader, with plug-ins for creating & replying, etc. "

Eventually it'd be nice to extend it into replies, but for now I'm
happy just getting it into an RSS feed. I see this primarily being
used by support teams sending us status reports or project updates.

One of the comments lead to this site:

http://www.eightlinks.com/features/000485.html

I haven't had a chance to run this, but it looks like a good start.

The next step would be to identify a solution that takes the email,
tosses it into forum software (such as PHPBB) and generates a feed.

One step at a time. :-)

It's funny how sometimes when a new technology comes along we tend to
look at what it can do that is new instead of looking back and seeing
how it can replace exisiting functionality and processes. I think
there is true value in moving email to an RSS driven process.


--- In rss-user@yahoogroups.com, "dsi" <yahoo@d...> wrote:
> Patrick,
>
> If you don't mind an external source you could use  http://dodgeit.com
> or  www.mailbucket.org
>
> They're both free and easy to set up an email address that you can
> read with your RSS client. However, as they say on Mailbucket: "The
> generated RSS feeds are valid and compressed (if your client supports
> compressed content); they are also public and impermanent, which may
> be a disadvantage for you. "
> I hope that helps.
>
> Chuck Welch
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Grote"
> To: <rss-user@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 11:15 PM
> Subject: [rss-user] Email to RSS Gateway?
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am evangilizing RSS in my corporation. I've started with my
> organization and
> > have made some very good inroads. We've moved much of our
> communication online
> > to forums that generate RSS feeds. This is a good thing for us.
> >
> > My issue is that the external groups we interface with haven't
> joined the RSS
> > bandwagon and continue to use email.
> >
> > Is there a utility or method for tossing email messages into RSS
> feeds? For
> > instance, if we create a mailbox called projects, any email sent to
> that email
> > box will generate an RSS feed.
> >
> > I use the word toss, as back in the day when FidoNet was vibrant the
> way you
> > moved messages from your board to another was to toss it. That's the
> metaphor I
> > am thinking of here. Tossing the email to the RSS feed.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any suggestions or solutions.
> >
> >

well the feeds are based on what you setup so no.  It's not really
email, it's feed-reading through a mail client.  You can however email
the address you setup I believe though I never used it that way.


On Dec 24, 2003, at 7:58 PM, liza sabater wrote:

> is it possible not to get spammed through these?
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 24, 2003, at 06:38  PM, Jonathan Greene wrote:
>
>> You might also want to look at Blogstreet's Info Aggregator
>> <http://rss.blogstreet.com> which goes the other way and lets you read
>> RSS feeds from an IMAP email box.

is it possible not to get spammed through these?


On Wednesday, December 24, 2003, at 06:38  PM, Jonathan Greene wrote:

> You might also want to look at Blogstreet's Info Aggregator
> <http://rss.blogstreet.com> which goes the other way and lets you read
> RSS feeds from an IMAP email box.

You might also want to look at Blogstreet's Info Aggregator
<http://rss.blogstreet.com> which goes the other way and lets you read
RSS feeds from an IMAP email box.


On Dec 24, 2003, at 5:18 PM, Betsy Devine wrote:

> --- In rss-user@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Grote <pgrote@y...> wrote:
>
>> Is there a utility or method for tossing email messages into RSS
>> feeds? For
>> instance, if we create a mailbox called projects, any email sent to
>> that email
>> box will generate an RSS feed.
>
> Hi Patrick--I think Mailbucket will do this for you--I haven't used it
> myself, but
> email-to-RSS seems to be their thing. http://www.mailbucket.org/

--- In rss-user@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Grote <pgrote@y...> wrote:

> Is there a utility or method for tossing email messages into RSS feeds? For
> instance, if we create a mailbox called projects, any email sent to that email
> box will generate an RSS feed.

Hi Patrick--I think Mailbucket will do this for you--I haven't used it myself,
but
email-to-RSS seems to be their thing. http://www.mailbucket.org/

Betsy

Hi Patrick,

I know exactly what you mean and my current project has a feature like
this on my todo list - conversion of POP mail source to RSS - indeed, in
our prototype demonstrated similar.  I used to operate a FIDO board in
the early eighties and so know well what you are after.

We have not announced the project publicly - but it sounds like the type
of thing you are after.  It is a general purpose collaborative tool of
the kind an enterprise would use to aggregate feeds from team members
and relevant information sources allowing users to build collections of
feeds in categories and allowing those collections to be shared.

We are in alpha stages currently but development - led by myself - is
very active.

Steven


Patrick Grote wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I am evangilizing RSS in my corporation. I've started with my organization and
>have made some very good inroads. We've moved much of our communication online
>to forums that generate RSS feeds. This is a good thing for us.
>
>My issue is that the external groups we interface with haven't joined the RSS
>bandwagon and continue to use email.
>
>Is there a utility or method for tossing email messages into RSS feeds? For
>instance, if we create a mailbox called projects, any email sent to that email
>box will generate an RSS feed.
>
>I use the word toss, as back in the day when FidoNet was vibrant the way you
>moved messages from your board to another was to toss it. That's the metaphor I
>am thinking of here. Tossing the email to the RSS feed.
>
>Thanks in advance for any suggestions or solutions.
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-user/
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> rss-user-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In rss-user@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Grote <pgrote@y...> wrote:
> Is there a utility or method for tossing email messages into RSS feeds? For
> instance, if we create a mailbox called projects, any email sent to that email
> box will generate an RSS feed.

Well, there's Dodgeit.com - http://dodgeit.com/

Perhaps offer the author some cash for an in-house implementation?

Rod.

--
:: Rod Begbie :: http://www.groovymother.com/ ::

Hi,

Taking Patrick's cue, a bit of an introduction. I'm Liza Sabater,
communicatrix at-large. My blogs are CULTUREKITCHEN, where I write
about art/culture/tech and their intersections in parenting as well
TYPEPADISTAS, a blog about everything TypePad. I am also producer &
manager of POTATOLAND, the online studio of Mark Napier, one f the
pioneers of net art (and a guy that happens to be my husband).

I've been on the production end of net art since 1995 but did not get
into blogs until 1 year ago. I have Dreamweaver to blame. DW gave me a
sense of security in my knowledge of web development because I took
creating content-heavy websites as a natural extension of desktop
publishing. As for a net art site like potatoland (which is actually a
string of sites), I never thought twice about the need to create a
process by which to disseminate the content. That site gets on a slow
day about 5K hits; when we release a new work, it can go up to 50K hits
on a single day. Not too shabby for a privately owned digital/software
art studio. Still, I kick myself for my cluelessness. Through
potatoland many experiments with browsers have come and gone to become
part of the web landscape and I feel that RSS and aggregators could
have been a natural extension for netartists to explore and exploit not
just for artistic reasons but for social ones as well.

Back in 1995-96 we looked at the web as the way out of the gallery
system. If no gallery snob wanted to look at Napier's art (at that time
paintings and some sculpture) then probably 'the people' would through
the web. At that time though you could literally surf all the art sites
on an evening. We didn't even have a direct connection, we were using
Compuserve and a doo-hickey called Mosaic. I remember the amount of
file swapping happening through Compuserve at that time --we had scores
of music and images and anything you could imagine.

Sorry about the rambling but, in a sense I'm going down memory lane. It
was easy back then to navigate the web without getting overwhelmed.
1996 Mark got C&D'd by Mattel for his "Distorted Barbie" series. That
was the turning point, I think, for the web. He was one in a series of
people to get the letters and I believe that Mattel brought such
attention to the web and its potential for self-publishing that after
that it was just like a supernova explosion. Everybody and their mother
had a site. Literally. I stopped keeping up with net art sites because
I would have had to spend 9/5 doing so --and Christiane Paul, Benjamin
Weill and Jon Ippolito were already being paid to do so.

Fast-forward to 2003.

I was one of the thousands that beta-tested TypePad --I think I became
notorious on the MT Support group (I mean, forum), complaining about
how hard MT is to install. I'm so traumatized I've deferred upgrading
to 2.65. I was not going to try TypePad but I did on a lark. The best
thing I've done so far. So much so that I am on a crusade to have every
net artist blog their sites for the sole purpose of having syndication.
I think it is not just needed but it would be suicidal not to
(economically speaking).

The netart community has become an ill-organized and not
community-friendly ghetto on the web. Each site (like potatoland, BTW)
is a closed system. If it is not due to frames, then it is due to the
evils of MX Flash. Artists treat their sites more like real estate than
publications, so there is no easy way to navigate what is out there.
But more importantly, there is no sense of a context for their
existence, there is no sense of a community or an aesthetic movement
behind them. Net Artists don't want to admit that they are beholden to
geography and not the net. Even though here in NYC the joke goes that
you are only a net artist if you are part of the NYC net art mafia
--defeating the whole nomadic or rhizomatic possibilities of the net.

Before the dotcom bubble burst there was funding for net artists.
That's gone. Mark is one of a handful of people that are actually
selling net/software art but he is not yet at at the level that our
colleague John Simon ( http:www.numeral.org ) is. That's because Simon
was there first using e-lists and online stores to sell and promote his
work --all the while selling through galleries and developing
commissions. He is not RSS'ed but he has used intuitively some of the
social technologies of the web to find a community that would support
his work.

So I see RSS as a way of extending the reach of net artists outside of
their immediate audiences. I see it as a way of getting a Java geek
like Napier in touch with the Java community at-large. And I see it as
the gateway to possibilities: I don't know what all the possibilities
are but I know, just as I did back in 1995, that this is thing is going
to be huge. RSS and aggregators ... gosh! Rosenberg (?) from Salon.com
is so right. It does feel like we are at the verge of something big
happening. I want to be there up-front and center when it does.

So what does this mean? I am overhauling both POTATOLAND and
CULTUREKITCHEN. The first one needs some serious redesigning in order
to make it bloggable (we use frames to deploy the artwork). I am
thinking of opening the second one to artists and art pundits who would
like to try blogs as a social tool for their sites. I am still sketchy
on the details on this last project but I feel that only by example,
sharing and, more importantly, coaching, I will be able to influence
other net artists/groups. That if a network or net art sites is going
to happen, I have the opportunity to help anchor it.

Which takes me to the parenting part. More specifically, the
independent learning movement.

The power of the Internet has never been more present to me than in the
lists and forums where people get to share their alt-parenting or
alt-education war stories. Most people in my neighborhood send their
kids to school. Even in NYC, it takes great effort to hook up with
other homeschoolers. On the net, it's as easy as logging into a forum
or responding to an e-list post. Just as writers and artists have
flocked to the web, so have scores of parents looking for alternatives
to child-reading, health management and education or as radical
unschoolers would say, natural learning. The Patriot Act, the DMCA and
the No-Child Left Behind Act may seem to deal with separate social
issues. They don't. The NCLB Act in particular further curtails the
rights of citizens to use free-agency as an educational and ultimately,
a parenting choice. The NCLB is to the alternative education movement
what the DMCA is to the promise of "mix, rip and burn" of digital music
media.

All in all, I see RSS as the possibility of creating a meta-community
from the different, yet very similar, online communities that I
participate in.

Best,
liza sabater, communicatrix-at-large
======================
www.culturekitchen.om
www.typepadistas.com

THIS POST IS BLOGGABLE.
If you quote me, please include my name and any of the 2 URLs in the
attribution. Thanks.

Patrick,

If you don't mind an external source you could use  http://dodgeit.com
or  www.mailbucket.org

They're both free and easy to set up an email address that you can
read with your RSS client. However, as they say on Mailbucket: "The
generated RSS feeds are valid and compressed (if your client supports
compressed content); they are also public and impermanent, which may
be a disadvantage for you. "
I hope that helps.

Chuck Welch



----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Grote"
To: <rss-user@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 11:15 PM
Subject: [rss-user] Email to RSS Gateway?


> Hello,
>
> I am evangilizing RSS in my corporation. I've started with my
organization and
> have made some very good inroads. We've moved much of our
communication online
> to forums that generate RSS feeds. This is a good thing for us.
>
> My issue is that the external groups we interface with haven't
joined the RSS
> bandwagon and continue to use email.
>
> Is there a utility or method for tossing email messages into RSS
feeds? For
> instance, if we create a mailbox called projects, any email sent to
that email
> box will generate an RSS feed.
>
> I use the word toss, as back in the day when FidoNet was vibrant the
way you
> moved messages from your board to another was to toss it. That's the
metaphor I
> am thinking of here. Tossing the email to the RSS feed.
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or solutions.
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Grote [mailto:pgrote@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 11:15 PM
To: rss-user@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rss-user] Email to RSS Gateway?

Hello,

I am evangilizing RSS in my corporation. I've started with my organization and
have made some very good inroads. We've moved much of our communication online
to forums that generate RSS feeds. This is a good thing for us.

My issue is that the external groups we interface with haven't joined the RSS
bandwagon and continue to use email.

Is there a utility or method for tossing email messages into RSS feeds? For
instance, if we create a mailbox called projects, any email sent to that email
box will generate an RSS feed.

I use the word toss, as back in the day when FidoNet was vibrant the way you
moved messages from your board to another was to toss it. That's the metaphor I
am thinking of here. Tossing the email to the RSS feed.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions or solutions.

---

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Listers:

In the spirit of the list's charter, here's a rundown of my thoughts:

...what they want to do with RSS...

Easily publish and share information with others in a standard/accepted
format that gives me control

...what they like about today's software...

Excusing the small amount of sunshine blown here, but I love Radio's
aggregator.  I didn't like it as well when I was reading low volume
news, but as I scaled in experience, Radio's aggregator has scaled with
me.  Best of all, I can see the source code and modify it as needed to
make my aggregator do stuff only I can imagine.  *That's* empowerment.

...what they don't like...

feed subscriptions mechanisms, lack of format unity (gives perception
of lower value to business)

...products and services they might want to buy...

Unified content management systems for a single person to a group of
people.  Something like TypePad's beautiful UI but the power and
flexibility of Movable Type/Manila.  Something that allows open access
to it's core scripting language (like Manila) but using commonly
accepted programming languages (like Perl/Python/etc)

...How do you feel about ads in RSS?...

RSS is an information service.  Ads interspersed in an information
source make it like a magazine format.  Imagine reading an article in
the NYTimes and in-between paragraphs being confronted with a text ad
for a Gillette shaver.  RSS is the cost of doing business on the web,
not a money-making opportunity.

...How can schools, businesses, the government, better use RSS?...

Step One:  evangelize!  Demonstrate by example.  Set up a weblog,
publish content and deliver RSS feeds.  Install software to allow
others in your group to read the content.  Keep your content pertinent
to your environment and then ask for feedback *in person*.  Make
changes in response to feedback.  Drop hints in meetings and over
lunches about the weblog like "I posted the June figures for call
center improvements on the weblog."

Step Two:  join a mailing list and get involved!  :>

Steve Kirks
http://houseofwarwick.com/

this email is: [ x ] blogable [  ] ask first [  ] private

> To kick things off here -- this is one of the most useful feeds I've
> subscribed to recently.

Dave,

Probably the most downright *useful* feed in my subscription list is
Gamespot's:

http://www.gamespot.com/cgi/story_feed_rss.html

I was a paying subscriber to their site for ages, but was considering
cancelling because of my inability to keep up... they routinely publish a
couple hundred new pieces of content in a single day, and finding the
interesting stuff on the site can take a *lot* of clicking. But after
pestering them for a few months, they added an experimental feed that makes
it possible for me to get my money's worth from them.

Hm... the feed seems to be broken this morning. Figures that I'd brag on
them just when they're having problems. :)

--
Roger Benningfield
http://admin.support.journurl.com/

Hello,

I am evangilizing RSS in my corporation. I've started with my organization and
have made some very good inroads. We've moved much of our communication online
to forums that generate RSS feeds. This is a good thing for us.

My issue is that the external groups we interface with haven't joined the RSS
bandwagon and continue to use email.

Is there a utility or method for tossing email messages into RSS feeds? For
instance, if we create a mailbox called projects, any email sent to that email
box will generate an RSS feed.

I use the word toss, as back in the day when FidoNet was vibrant the way you
moved messages from your board to another was to toss it. That's the metaphor I
am thinking of here. Tossing the email to the RSS feed.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions or solutions.

On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, at 09:07  PM, Dave Winer wrote:

> To kick things off here -- this is one of the most useful feeds I've
> subscribed to recently.
>
> http://reviews.cnet.com/4924-3000_7-0.xml?orderBy=-7eRating&7rType=70-
> 80&9lwPrc=0-
>


there's 3 feed "groups" i can't live without:

1. my customized news feeds from Yahoo!
2. my New York Times feeds (i'm in nyc)
3. BBC in all it's iterations

i read them with my morning coffee.

To kick things off here -- this is one of the most useful feeds I've
subscribed to recently.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4924-3000_7-0.xml?orderBy=-7eRating&7rType=70-
80&9lwPrc=0-

Every day a couple of reviews of computers and accessories. In
general I have trouble keeping up with news in this area, the main IT
pubs that I subscribe to don't seem to do product reviews. Today they
taught me about the latest Sony Vaio (made me regret buying the
ThinkPad, for a minute) and the new Micron PC. They've reviewed
Toshiba and Dell laptops recently.

The reviews are detailed and include comparisons with similar
products and pointers to places you can buy the products.

Hi there,
just in case some of you don't know this yet: There's an RSS-Feed for
this group located at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-user/messages?rss=1

Greetz from Germany,
    Moe
--
http://weblog.plasticthinking.org/

I started a this moderated mail list for people who use RSS, either
as a publisher or reading feeds in an aggregator. The list is
moderated to keep it on topic and away from personal issues. It's
just about using RSS, not debating its merits or other formats that
may be like RSS.

I wanted to have this list to get ready for the session I'm doing at
RSS Winterfest, below, and of course if it's an active resource it'll
be around for a long time after that. People should subscribe if
they're interested in RSS, even if they develop for RSS; with the
understanding that this list is here for users.