Hi:



This might seem off topic, but I've just downloaded the latest Beta of Sandvox

to see if my site improves.  I currently have some smart Flash movie files on my

home-page, which play really well in every browser except Safari 4.  Using

Firefox, you can click on and off any one of these, but in Safari 4 (I'm using

the Tiger version), some just don't play straight away.  They will eventually if

you leave the page to sit there a while, but that's not the answer.



So what's with Safari 4?  I'm trying to get the damn thing off my computer, but

without much look.  One only has to Google Safari 4 problems, and there's quite

a few people out there that are very unhappy with it too.



Best wishes,



Barry



PS:  My site is www.barryjwale.com

You can trash Safari4, then install Safari3 again:

http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Leopard



Hetty



On 11 Jul 2009, at 13:59, bjwdirect wrote:



> Hi:

>

> This might seem off topic, but I've just downloaded the latest Beta

> of Sandvox to see if my site improves.  I currently have some smart

> Flash movie files on my home-page, which play really well in every

> browser except Safari 4.  Using Firefox, you can click on and off

> any one of these, but in Safari 4 (I'm using the Tiger version),

> some just don't play straight away.  They will eventually if you

> leave the page to sit there a while, but that's not the answer.

>

> So what's with Safari 4?  I'm trying to get the damn thing off my

> computer, but without much look.  One only has to Google Safari 4

> problems, and there's quite a few people out there that are very

> unhappy with it too.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Barry

>

> PS:  My site is www.barryjwale.com

Do they have this option for Tiger?





--- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@...> wrote:

>

> You can trash Safari4, then install Safari3 again:

> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Leopard

>

> Hetty

>

> On 11 Jul 2009, at 13:59, bjwdirect wrote:

>

> > Hi:

> >

> > This might seem off topic, but I've just downloaded the latest Beta

> > of Sandvox to see if my site improves.  I currently have some smart

> > Flash movie files on my home-page, which play really well in every

> > browser except Safari 4.  Using Firefox, you can click on and off

> > any one of these, but in Safari 4 (I'm using the Tiger version),

> > some just don't play straight away.  They will eventually if you

> > leave the page to sit there a while, but that's not the answer.

> >

> > So what's with Safari 4?  I'm trying to get the damn thing off my

> > computer, but without much look.  One only has to Google Safari 4

> > problems, and there's quite a few people out there that are very

> > unhappy with it too.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Barry

> >

> > PS:  My site is www.barryjwale.com

>

Yes, they have:

http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Tiger

Success.



Hetty



> Do they have this option for Tiger?

>

>

> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@...> wrote:

>>

>> You can trash Safari4, then install Safari3 again:

>> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Leopard

>>

>> Hetty

>>

>> On 11 Jul 2009, at 13:59, bjwdirect wrote:

>>

>>> Hi:

>>>

>>> This might seem off topic, but I've just downloaded the latest Beta

>>> of Sandvox to see if my site improves.  I currently have some smart

>>> Flash movie files on my home-page, which play really well in every

>>> browser except Safari 4.  Using Firefox, you can click on and off

>>> any one of these, but in Safari 4 (I'm using the Tiger version),

>>> some just don't play straight away.  They will eventually if you

>>> leave the page to sit there a while, but that's not the answer.

>>>

>>> So what's with Safari 4?  I'm trying to get the damn thing off my

>>> computer, but without much look.  One only has to Google Safari 4

>>> problems, and there's quite a few people out there that are very

>>> unhappy with it too.

>>>

>>> Best wishes,

>>>

>>> Barry

>>>

>>> PS:  My site is www.barryjwale.com

>>

But surely that's an update.  I've just tried it and it says that I have a newer

one installed.  Yes, I know you said to trash it first, but this goes against

everything that is being said on the various site.  Trashing Safari 4 first is

not the answer!



Barry



--- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@...> wrote:

>

> Yes, they have:

> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Tiger

> Success.

>

> Hetty

>

> > Do they have this option for Tiger?

> >

> >

> > --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

> >>

> >> You can trash Safari4, then install Safari3 again:

> >> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Leopard

> >>

> >> Hetty

> >>

> >> On 11 Jul 2009, at 13:59, bjwdirect wrote:

> >>

> >>> Hi:

> >>>

> >>> This might seem off topic, but I've just downloaded the latest Beta

> >>> of Sandvox to see if my site improves.  I currently have some smart

> >>> Flash movie files on my home-page, which play really well in every

> >>> browser except Safari 4.  Using Firefox, you can click on and off

> >>> any one of these, but in Safari 4 (I'm using the Tiger version),

> >>> some just don't play straight away.  They will eventually if you

> >>> leave the page to sit there a while, but that's not the answer.

> >>>

> >>> So what's with Safari 4?  I'm trying to get the damn thing off my

> >>> computer, but without much look.  One only has to Google Safari 4

> >>> problems, and there's quite a few people out there that are very

> >>> unhappy with it too.

> >>>

> >>> Best wishes,

> >>>

> >>> Barry

> >>>

> >>> PS:  My site is www.barryjwale.com

> >>

>

Sorry about that. So does this mean that Apple is preventing

reinstallation of Safari3?

I'll check this out.

It should be possible to restore Safari3 from a backup though. Do you

have a backup somewhere? TimeMachine?



Hetty



> But surely that's an update.  I've just tried it and it says that I

> have a newer one installed.  Yes, I know you said to trash it first,

> but this goes against everything that is being said on the various

> site.  Trashing Safari 4 first is not the answer!

>

> Barry

>

> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@...> wrote:

>>

>> Yes, they have:

>> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Tiger

>> Success.

>>

>> Hetty

>>

>>> Do they have this option for Tiger?

>>>

>>>

>>> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> You can trash Safari4, then install Safari3 again:

>>>> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Leopard

>>>>

>>>> Hetty

>>>>

>>>> On 11 Jul 2009, at 13:59, bjwdirect wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Hi:

>>>>>

>>>>> This might seem off topic, but I've just downloaded the latest

>>>>> Beta

>>>>> of Sandvox to see if my site improves.  I currently have some

>>>>> smart

>>>>> Flash movie files on my home-page, which play really well in every

>>>>> browser except Safari 4.  Using Firefox, you can click on and off

>>>>> any one of these, but in Safari 4 (I'm using the Tiger version),

>>>>> some just don't play straight away.  They will eventually if you

>>>>> leave the page to sit there a while, but that's not the answer.

>>>>>

>>>>> So what's with Safari 4?  I'm trying to get the damn thing off my

>>>>> computer, but without much look.  One only has to Google Safari 4

>>>>> problems, and there's quite a few people out there that are very

>>>>> unhappy with it too.

>>>>>

>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>

>>>>> Barry

>>>>>

>>>>> PS:  My site is www.barryjwale.com

>>>>

No back up and no Time Machine ( I believe the latter is a Leopard thing?)



Thanks



Barry





--- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@...> wrote:

>

> Sorry about that. So does this mean that Apple is preventing

> reinstallation of Safari3?

> I'll check this out.

> It should be possible to restore Safari3 from a backup though. Do you

> have a backup somewhere? TimeMachine?

>

> Hetty

>

> > But surely that's an update.  I've just tried it and it says that I

> > have a newer one installed.  Yes, I know you said to trash it first,

> > but this goes against everything that is being said on the various

> > site.  Trashing Safari 4 first is not the answer!

> >

> > Barry

> >

> > --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

> >>

> >> Yes, they have:

> >> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Tiger

> >> Success.

> >>

> >> Hetty

> >>

> >>> Do they have this option for Tiger?

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> You can trash Safari4, then install Safari3 again:

> >>>> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Leopard

> >>>>

> >>>> Hetty

> >>>>

> >>>> On 11 Jul 2009, at 13:59, bjwdirect wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>> Hi:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> This might seem off topic, but I've just downloaded the latest

> >>>>> Beta

> >>>>> of Sandvox to see if my site improves.  I currently have some

> >>>>> smart

> >>>>> Flash movie files on my home-page, which play really well in every

> >>>>> browser except Safari 4.  Using Firefox, you can click on and off

> >>>>> any one of these, but in Safari 4 (I'm using the Tiger version),

> >>>>> some just don't play straight away.  They will eventually if you

> >>>>> leave the page to sit there a while, but that's not the answer.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> So what's with Safari 4?  I'm trying to get the damn thing off my

> >>>>> computer, but without much look.  One only has to Google Safari 4

> >>>>> problems, and there's quite a few people out there that are very

> >>>>> unhappy with it too.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Barry

> >>>>>

> >>>>> PS:  My site is www.barryjwale.com

> >>>>

>

The only safe way to uninstall Safari 4 is using the Uninstaller

included in the Safari 4 Download package. Try running the

uninstaller. If it works it will revert Safari back to v 3.2.1.



Hetty





> No back up and no Time Machine ( I believe the latter is a Leopard

> thing?)

>

> Thanks

>

> Barry

>

>

> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@...> wrote:

>>

>> Sorry about that. So does this mean that Apple is preventing

>> reinstallation of Safari3?

>> I'll check this out.

>> It should be possible to restore Safari3 from a backup though. Do you

>> have a backup somewhere? TimeMachine?

>>

>> Hetty

>>

>>> But surely that's an update.  I've just tried it and it says that I

>>> have a newer one installed.  Yes, I know you said to trash it first,

>>> but this goes against everything that is being said on the various

>>> site.  Trashing Safari 4 first is not the answer!

>>>

>>> Barry

>>>

>>> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Yes, they have:

>>>> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Tiger

>>>> Success.

>>>>

>>>> Hetty

>>>>

The uninstaller was only available with the Beta.  It's not available now.



Barry



--- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@...> wrote:

>

> The only safe way to uninstall Safari 4 is using the Uninstaller

> included in the Safari 4 Download package. Try running the

> uninstaller. If it works it will revert Safari back to v 3.2.1.

>

> Hetty

>

>

> > No back up and no Time Machine ( I believe the latter is a Leopard

> > thing?)

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Barry

> >

> >

> > --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

> >>

> >> Sorry about that. So does this mean that Apple is preventing

> >> reinstallation of Safari3?

> >> I'll check this out.

> >> It should be possible to restore Safari3 from a backup though. Do you

> >> have a backup somewhere? TimeMachine?

> >>

> >> Hetty

> >>

> >>> But surely that's an update.  I've just tried it and it says that I

> >>> have a newer one installed.  Yes, I know you said to trash it first,

> >>> but this goes against everything that is being said on the various

> >>> site.  Trashing Safari 4 first is not the answer!

> >>>

> >>> Barry

> >>>

> >>> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Yes, they have:

> >>>> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Tiger

> >>>> Success.

> >>>>

> >>>> Hetty

> >>>>

>

One more reason to be weary of new versions.

I'll check some more and come back to you when I found something.

Would it be possible to copy the app from someone who has Safari3, put

it on a disc and send it to you?



Hetty



> The uninstaller was only available with the Beta.  It's not

> available now.

>

> Barry

>

> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@...> wrote:

>>

>> The only safe way to uninstall Safari 4 is using the Uninstaller

>> included in the Safari 4 Download package. Try running the

>> uninstaller. If it works it will revert Safari back to v 3.2.1.

>>

>> Hetty

>>

>>

>>> No back up and no Time Machine ( I believe the latter is a Leopard

>>> thing?)

>>>

>>> Thanks

>>>

>>> Barry

>>>

>>>

>>> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Sorry about that. So does this mean that Apple is preventing

>>>> reinstallation of Safari3?

>>>> I'll check this out.

>>>> It should be possible to restore Safari3 from a backup though. Do

>>>> you

>>>> have a backup somewhere? TimeMachine?

>>>>

>>>> Hetty

>>>>

>>>>> But surely that's an update.  I've just tried it and it says

>>>>> that I

>>>>> have a newer one installed.  Yes, I know you said to trash it

>>>>> first,

>>>>> but this goes against everything that is being said on the various

>>>>> site.  Trashing Safari 4 first is not the answer!

>>>>>

>>>>> Barry

>>>>>

>>>>> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes, they have:

>>>>>> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Tiger

>>>>>> Success.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hetty

>>>>>>

Can you drag Safari3 from your applications in TimeMachine backup?



Hetty



On 11 Jul 2009, at 18:19, bjwdirect wrote:



> But surely that's an update.  I've just tried it and it says that I

> have a newer one installed.  Yes, I know you said to trash it first,

> but this goes against everything that is being said on the various

> site.  Trashing Safari 4 first is not the answer!

>

> Barry

>

> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@...> wrote:

>>

>> Yes, they have:

>> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Tiger

>> Success.

>>

>> Hetty

>>

>>> Do they have this option for Tiger?

>>>

>>>

>>> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> You can trash Safari4, then install Safari3 again:

>>>> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Leopard

>>>>

>>>> Hetty

>>>>

>>>> On 11 Jul 2009, at 13:59, bjwdirect wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Hi:

>>>>>

>>>>> This might seem off topic, but I've just downloaded the latest

>>>>> Beta

>>>>> of Sandvox to see if my site improves.  I currently have some

>>>>> smart

>>>>> Flash movie files on my home-page, which play really well in every

>>>>> browser except Safari 4.  Using Firefox, you can click on and off

>>>>> any one of these, but in Safari 4 (I'm using the Tiger version),

>>>>> some just don't play straight away.  They will eventually if you

>>>>> leave the page to sit there a while, but that's not the answer.

>>>>>

>>>>> So what's with Safari 4?  I'm trying to get the damn thing off my

>>>>> computer, but without much look.  One only has to Google Safari 4

>>>>> problems, and there's quite a few people out there that are very

>>>>> unhappy with it too.

>>>>>

>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>

>>>>> Barry

>>>>>

>>>>> PS:  My site is www.barryjwale.com

>>>>

>>

>

>

>

>

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>

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>

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>

>

>

I don't have Time Machine.



Just to confirm: I have Tiger 10.4.11 and running Safari Version 4.0 (4530.17)



Barry





--- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@...> wrote:

>

> Can you drag Safari3 from your applications in TimeMachine backup?

>

> Hetty

>

> On 11 Jul 2009, at 18:19, bjwdirect wrote:

>

> > But surely that's an update.  I've just tried it and it says that I

> > have a newer one installed.  Yes, I know you said to trash it first,

> > but this goes against everything that is being said on the various

> > site.  Trashing Safari 4 first is not the answer!

> >

> > Barry

> >

> > --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

> >>

> >> Yes, they have:

> >> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Tiger

> >> Success.

> >>

> >> Hetty

> >>

> >>> Do they have this option for Tiger?

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> You can trash Safari4, then install Safari3 again:

> >>>> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Leopard

> >>>>

> >>>> Hetty

> >>>>

> >>>> On 11 Jul 2009, at 13:59, bjwdirect wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>> Hi:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> This might seem off topic, but I've just downloaded the latest

> >>>>> Beta

> >>>>> of Sandvox to see if my site improves.  I currently have some

> >>>>> smart

> >>>>> Flash movie files on my home-page, which play really well in every

> >>>>> browser except Safari 4.  Using Firefox, you can click on and off

> >>>>> any one of these, but in Safari 4 (I'm using the Tiger version),

> >>>>> some just don't play straight away.  They will eventually if you

> >>>>> leave the page to sit there a while, but that's not the answer.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> So what's with Safari 4?  I'm trying to get the damn thing off my

> >>>>> computer, but without much look.  One only has to Google Safari 4

> >>>>> problems, and there's quite a few people out there that are very

> >>>>> unhappy with it too.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Barry

> >>>>>

> >>>>> PS:  My site is www.barryjwale.com

> >>>>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> > This group is for User-to-User discussion of Sandvox.

> >

> > PLEASE SEND SUPPORT REQUESTS AND FEATURE REQUESTS TO KARELIA

> > BY USING THE BUILT-IN FEEDBACK REPORTER FROM THE 'HELP' MENU.

> > Yahoo! Groups Links

> >

> >

> >

>

Here's a possible solution.

Download Safari4 again and reinstall it. There is an uninstaller with

it. With this uninstaller you can uninstall Safari4 and with a good

copy of Safari3 (either from Apple or your TM backup) you should be

able to go back to Safari3.

Let me know if it works out.



Hetty



On 11 Jul 2009, at 19:03, Agatha wrote:



> Can you drag Safari3 from your applications in TimeMachine backup?

>

> Hetty

>

> On 11 Jul 2009, at 18:19, bjwdirect wrote:

>

>> But surely that's an update.  I've just tried it and it says that I

>> have a newer one installed.  Yes, I know you said to trash it first,

>> but this goes against everything that is being said on the various

>> site.  Trashing Safari 4 first is not the answer!

>>

>> Barry

>>

>> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@...> wrote:

>>>

>>> Yes, they have:

>>> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Tiger

>>> Success.

>>>

>>> Hetty

>>>

>>>> Do they have this option for Tiger?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> You can trash Safari4, then install Safari3 again:

>>>>> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Leopard

>>>>>

>>>>> Hetty

>>>>>

>>>>> On 11 Jul 2009, at 13:59, bjwdirect wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Hi:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> This might seem off topic, but I've just downloaded the latest

>>>>>> Beta

>>>>>> of Sandvox to see if my site improves.  I currently have some

>>>>>> smart

>>>>>> Flash movie files on my home-page, which play really well in

>>>>>> every

>>>>>> browser except Safari 4.  Using Firefox, you can click on and off

>>>>>> any one of these, but in Safari 4 (I'm using the Tiger version),

>>>>>> some just don't play straight away.  They will eventually if you

>>>>>> leave the page to sit there a while, but that's not the answer.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So what's with Safari 4?  I'm trying to get the damn thing off my

>>>>>> computer, but without much look.  One only has to Google Safari 4

>>>>>> problems, and there's quite a few people out there that are very

>>>>>> unhappy with it too.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Barry

>>>>>>

>>>>>> PS:  My site is www.barryjwale.com

>>>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------------

>>

>> This group is for User-to-User discussion of Sandvox.

>>

>> PLEASE SEND SUPPORT REQUESTS AND FEATURE REQUESTS TO KARELIA

>> BY USING THE BUILT-IN FEEDBACK REPORTER FROM THE 'HELP' MENU.

>> Yahoo! Groups Links

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

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>

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>

>

There's no  uninstaller with the Safari 4!



Barry



--- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@...> wrote:

>

> Here's a possible solution.

> Download Safari4 again and reinstall it. There is an uninstaller with

> it. With this uninstaller you can uninstall Safari4 and with a good

> copy of Safari3 (either from Apple or your TM backup) you should be

> able to go back to Safari3.

> Let me know if it works out.

>

> Hetty

>

> On 11 Jul 2009, at 19:03, Agatha wrote:

>

> > Can you drag Safari3 from your applications in TimeMachine backup?

> >

> > Hetty

> >

> > On 11 Jul 2009, at 18:19, bjwdirect wrote:

> >

> >> But surely that's an update.  I've just tried it and it says that I

> >> have a newer one installed.  Yes, I know you said to trash it first,

> >> but this goes against everything that is being said on the various

> >> site.  Trashing Safari 4 first is not the answer!

> >>

> >> Barry

> >>

> >> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

> >>>

> >>> Yes, they have:

> >>> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Tiger

> >>> Success.

> >>>

> >>> Hetty

> >>>

> >>>> Do they have this option for Tiger?

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> You can trash Safari4, then install Safari3 again:

> >>>>> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Leopard

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Hetty

> >>>>>

> >>>>> On 11 Jul 2009, at 13:59, bjwdirect wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> Hi:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> This might seem off topic, but I've just downloaded the latest

> >>>>>> Beta

> >>>>>> of Sandvox to see if my site improves.  I currently have some

> >>>>>> smart

> >>>>>> Flash movie files on my home-page, which play really well in

> >>>>>> every

> >>>>>> browser except Safari 4.  Using Firefox, you can click on and off

> >>>>>> any one of these, but in Safari 4 (I'm using the Tiger version),

> >>>>>> some just don't play straight away.  They will eventually if you

> >>>>>> leave the page to sit there a while, but that's not the answer.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> So what's with Safari 4?  I'm trying to get the damn thing off my

> >>>>>> computer, but without much look.  One only has to Google Safari 4

> >>>>>> problems, and there's quite a few people out there that are very

> >>>>>> unhappy with it too.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Barry

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> PS:  My site is www.barryjwale.com

> >>>>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> ------------------------------------

> >>

> >> This group is for User-to-User discussion of Sandvox.

> >>

> >> PLEASE SEND SUPPORT REQUESTS AND FEATURE REQUESTS TO KARELIA

> >> BY USING THE BUILT-IN FEEDBACK REPORTER FROM THE 'HELP' MENU.

> >> Yahoo! Groups Links

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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OK, here's another go.



1. Download Pacifist and open the Safari 3.2.3.dmg

2. Look in the Resources tab and look for a file called Payload

3. Extract "Payload" to your desktop and unzip it, it won't show up as

zip but you should be able to unzip it. If not, press Enter and

add .zip to it and save it with the .zip extension.

4. After unzipping the "Payload" folder you'll need to replace the

files in the folders in the exact area on your system. So you navigate

to one of the folders and only erase what is in the "Payload" and

replace the "Payload" version of that file to where you erased it

from, and so on until all your "Payload" files have been put into the

system to their respective places.

5. Repair you disk permissions and reboot your machine.

6. Run Safari 3.2.3 installer and it should run without having to ask

you where it will be installed.

7. After the installer finishes, you'll need to reboot.

8. Enjoy, there's nothing wrong with 4 but I don't think it's quite

ready yet. For me it seems to be crashing from page to page. It looks

like some sort of memory problem. But 3.2.3 is working fine and has

been.



Re Tiger:

To me it looks like the Tiger version of the Safari 3.2.3 package has

the application listed directly in the Package Contents tab of

Pacifist unlike the leopard version. This is good for those who wish

to completely downgrade from Safari 4 and leave no trace of it on

their machines. Those wishing to do this should be able to select the

package in Pacifist and click the install button in the toolbar. This

will replace the Safari 4 files in the /System/Library and the /usr

directory with the Safari 3 versions. If you want to run side by side

installs, you simply select Safari.app from the Applications directory

in the Package Contents tab and click extract, placing the application

wherever you like. When that is finished, just follow the directions

from earlier in this thread to modify the Info.plist file and correct

the preferences issue.



More for Tiger:

Thanks for all the info here. I'm using Tiger so the Pacifist process

was a lot simpler for me. I had manually deleted all files I could

find related to Safari 4, but still couldn't install the older

version. Extracted/installed 'Safari.app' using Pacificist and now I'm

back in 3.2.3 heaven.



I'm using Tiger and it was very easy to do the update using Pacifist.

After opening Safari 3.2.3 in Pacifist all I had to do was select the

Package Contents of 3.2.3 under the Pacifist "Package Contents" tab

and then click install in Pacifist. I was not interested in a side by

side with S4. S4 is gone.





It's from:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=9600739&#9600739



See also here:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2032359&tstart=0



Hope this helps.



Hetty



On 11 Jul 2009, at 19:20, bjwdirect wrote:



> There's no  uninstaller with the Safari 4!

>

> Barry

>

> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@...> wrote:

>>

>> Here's a possible solution.

>> Download Safari4 again and reinstall it. There is an uninstaller with

>> it. With this uninstaller you can uninstall Safari4 and with a good

>> copy of Safari3 (either from Apple or your TM backup) you should be

>> able to go back to Safari3.

>> Let me know if it works out.

>>

>> Hetty

>>

Thanks for all this info - wow! such a lot to do in order to uninstall.  If

think it's best that I wait a while before trying something like this - I'd hate

to make the problem worse.



Barry





--- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@...> wrote:

>

> OK, here's another go.

>

> 1. Download Pacifist and open the Safari 3.2.3.dmg

> 2. Look in the Resources tab and look for a file called Payload

> 3. Extract "Payload" to your desktop and unzip it, it won't show up as

> zip but you should be able to unzip it. If not, press Enter and

> add .zip to it and save it with the .zip extension.

> 4. After unzipping the "Payload" folder you'll need to replace the

> files in the folders in the exact area on your system. So you navigate

> to one of the folders and only erase what is in the "Payload" and

> replace the "Payload" version of that file to where you erased it

> from, and so on until all your "Payload" files have been put into the

> system to their respective places.

> 5. Repair you disk permissions and reboot your machine.

> 6. Run Safari 3.2.3 installer and it should run without having to ask

> you where it will be installed.

> 7. After the installer finishes, you'll need to reboot.

> 8. Enjoy, there's nothing wrong with 4 but I don't think it's quite

> ready yet. For me it seems to be crashing from page to page. It looks

> like some sort of memory problem. But 3.2.3 is working fine and has

> been.

>

> Re Tiger:

> To me it looks like the Tiger version of the Safari 3.2.3 package has

> the application listed directly in the Package Contents tab of

> Pacifist unlike the leopard version. This is good for those who wish

> to completely downgrade from Safari 4 and leave no trace of it on

> their machines. Those wishing to do this should be able to select the

> package in Pacifist and click the install button in the toolbar. This

> will replace the Safari 4 files in the /System/Library and the /usr

> directory with the Safari 3 versions. If you want to run side by side

> installs, you simply select Safari.app from the Applications directory

> in the Package Contents tab and click extract, placing the application

> wherever you like. When that is finished, just follow the directions

> from earlier in this thread to modify the Info.plist file and correct

> the preferences issue.

>

> More for Tiger:

> Thanks for all the info here. I'm using Tiger so the Pacifist process

> was a lot simpler for me. I had manually deleted all files I could

> find related to Safari 4, but still couldn't install the older

> version. Extracted/installed 'Safari.app' using Pacificist and now I'm

> back in 3.2.3 heaven.

>

> I'm using Tiger and it was very easy to do the update using Pacifist.

> After opening Safari 3.2.3 in Pacifist all I had to do was select the

> Package Contents of 3.2.3 under the Pacifist "Package Contents" tab

> and then click install in Pacifist. I was not interested in a side by

> side with S4. S4 is gone.

>

>

> It's from:

> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=9600739&#9600739

>

> See also here:

> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2032359&tstart=0

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Hetty

>

> On 11 Jul 2009, at 19:20, bjwdirect wrote:

>

> > There's no  uninstaller with the Safari 4!

> >

> > Barry

> >

> > --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

> >>

> >> Here's a possible solution.

> >> Download Safari4 again and reinstall it. There is an uninstaller with

> >> it. With this uninstaller you can uninstall Safari4 and with a good

> >> copy of Safari3 (either from Apple or your TM backup) you should be

> >> able to go back to Safari3.

> >> Let me know if it works out.

> >>

> >> Hetty

> >>

>

Thanks so much for this response - now I know I'm not going mad and others are

in a similar situation.  I guess that's the real answer: wait for Apple to come

up with a fix!



With regards to the problem you're having with Flash, it's all gobbledegook to

me.  It took many days of help from folk on this site to show me the way to do

this and in the end I found a Flash ace who has created a straight forward flash

programme to use.



But if you need any help, I think the Q&A are still somewhere on this archive

from last year ( I hope)



All the best



Barry







--- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Vincent <coolestcat@...> wrote:

>

> Barry,

>

> First of all I like your video work.  I would like to get into video

> in the USA.  I need to pick up a camera, and start honing my craft.

> I'm a still guy from back in the day.

>

> I have the same problem with 10.4.11 and Safari 4.  I just upgraded

> to Safari 4.0.2 (Version 4.0.2 (4530.19)). with the hope of resolving

> the issue, but no luck.  I was on the phone with Apple for an hour

> before they admitted they were having a problem with 4.0.  They told

> me to hang in there till they came up with a fix.

>

> In my case I am getting a message with another web authoring

> software, that Flash is not installed - Please click here to install

> the Flash player to see this website correctly.  Flash is installed

> correctly of course as tested by the Adobe site - tested with Apple

> on the line.

>

> I asked Apple about reverting to an old version of Safari, and was

> told to re-install my OS in order to get back to Safari 3.x.  Of

> course, this sounds like a lame idea to me, so I'm not going to do that.

>

> I'm using Firefox in the meantime with no problems at all.

>

> Vincent

>

> On Jul 12, 2009, at 9:39 AM, bjwdirect wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Thanks for all this info - wow! such a lot to do in order to

> > uninstall. If think it's best that I wait a while before trying

> > something like this - I'd hate to make the problem worse.

> >

> > Barry

> >

> > --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

> > >

> > > OK, here's another go.

> > >

> > > 1. Download Pacifist and open the Safari 3.2.3.dmg

> > > 2. Look in the Resources tab and look for a file called Payload

> > > 3. Extract "Payload" to your desktop and unzip it, it won't show

> > up as

> > > zip but you should be able to unzip it. If not, press Enter and

> > > add .zip to it and save it with the .zip extension.

> > > 4. After unzipping the "Payload" folder you'll need to replace the

> > > files in the folders in the exact area on your system. So you

> > navigate

> > > to one of the folders and only erase what is in the "Payload" and

> > > replace the "Payload" version of that file to where you erased it

> > > from, and so on until all your "Payload" files have been put into

> > the

> > > system to their respective places.

> > > 5. Repair you disk permissions and reboot your machine.

> > > 6. Run Safari 3.2.3 installer and it should run without having to

> > ask

> > > you where it will be installed.

> > > 7. After the installer finishes, you'll need to reboot.

> > > 8. Enjoy, there's nothing wrong with 4 but I don't think it's quite

> > > ready yet. For me it seems to be crashing from page to page. It

> > looks

> > > like some sort of memory problem. But 3.2.3 is working fine and has

> > > been.

> > >

> > > Re Tiger:

> > > To me it looks like the Tiger version of the Safari 3.2.3 package

> > has

> > > the application listed directly in the Package Contents tab of

> > > Pacifist unlike the leopard version. This is good for those who wish

> > > to completely downgrade from Safari 4 and leave no trace of it on

> > > their machines. Those wishing to do this should be able to select

> > the

> > > package in Pacifist and click the install button in the toolbar.

> > This

> > > will replace the Safari 4 files in the /System/Library and the /usr

> > > directory with the Safari 3 versions. If you want to run side by

> > side

> > > installs, you simply select Safari.app from the Applications

> > directory

> > > in the Package Contents tab and click extract, placing the

> > application

> > > wherever you like. When that is finished, just follow the directions

> > > from earlier in this thread to modify the Info.plist file and

> > correct

> > > the preferences issue.

> > >

> > > More for Tiger:

> > > Thanks for all the info here. I'm using Tiger so the Pacifist

> > process

> > > was a lot simpler for me. I had manually deleted all files I could

> > > find related to Safari 4, but still couldn't install the older

> > > version. Extracted/installed 'Safari.app' using Pacificist and

> > now I'm

> > > back in 3.2.3 heaven.

> > >

> > > I'm using Tiger and it was very easy to do the update using

> > Pacifist.

> > > After opening Safari 3.2.3 in Pacifist all I had to do was select

> > the

> > > Package Contents of 3.2.3 under the Pacifist "Package Contents" tab

> > > and then click install in Pacifist. I was not interested in a

> > side by

> > > side with S4. S4 is gone.

> > >

> > >

> > > It's from:

> > > http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=9600739&#9600739

> > >

> > > See also here:

> > > http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2032359&tstart=0

> > >

> > > Hope this helps.

> > >

> > > Hetty

> > >

> > > On 11 Jul 2009, at 19:20, bjwdirect wrote:

> > >

> > > > There's no uninstaller with the Safari 4!

> > > >

> > > > Barry

> > > >

> > > > --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Agatha <aunt.agatha@> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Here's a possible solution.

> > > >> Download Safari4 again and reinstall it. There is an

> > uninstaller with

> > > >> it. With this uninstaller you can uninstall Safari4 and with a

> > good

> > > >> copy of Safari3 (either from Apple or your TM backup) you

> > should be

> > > >> able to go back to Safari3.

> > > >> Let me know if it works out.

> > > >>

> > > >> Hetty

> > > >>

> > >

> >

> >

>

No issues at all with Sandvox in Leopard?

Problem is I don't want a star, no bling or iCandy, but an efficient,

quick browser. And when I had Safari4 it was ever so slooooowwwww and

some pages (Apple pages!) didn't even load.



Hetty



On 11 Jul 2009, at 18:05, Curt Hahn wrote:



> Greetings!

>

> Seems that if you're not running Leopard, an earlier version of

> Safari might be best for you.

>

> With Leopard, Safari 4 is a star!

>

> Curt

>

Le 11.07.2009 13:59, l'estimable internaute, *bjwdirect*,

se manifesta en tapotant :



	 'llo !





> [...] I've just downloaded the latest Beta of Sandvox [...]



	 As far as I know, Safari 4 is no more a beta.



	 Did you install the last Safari 4 version (i.e. 4.0.2) ?



	 <http://www.apple.com/safari/download/>





À+,

--

Jean-Noël

Just trying that now.  I've been clicking update everyday, but there's been

nothing.  Fingers crossed this may be better



Thanks



Barry



--- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Jean-Noel <zegino@...> wrote:

>

> Le 11.07.2009 13:59, l'estimable internaute, *bjwdirect*,

> se manifesta en tapotant :

>

>  'llo !

>

>

> > [...] I've just downloaded the latest Beta of Sandvox [...]

>

>  As far as I know, Safari 4 is no more a beta.

>

>  Did you install the last Safari 4 version (i.e. 4.0.2) ?

>

>  <http://www.apple.com/safari/download/>

>

>

> À+,

> --

> Jean-Noël

>

Just tried the newer version - still the same problem.



Looks like Firefox from now on - great shame!



Barry





--- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, "bjwdirect" <bjwdirect@...> wrote:

>

> Just trying that now.  I've been clicking update everyday, but there's been

nothing.  Fingers crossed this may be better

>

> Thanks

>

> Barry

>

> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Jean-Noel <zegino@> wrote:

> >

> > Le 11.07.2009 13:59, l'estimable internaute, *bjwdirect*,

> > se manifesta en tapotant :

> >

> >  'llo !

> >

> >

> > > [...] I've just downloaded the latest Beta of Sandvox [...]

> >

> >  As far as I know, Safari 4 is no more a beta.

> >

> >  Did you install the last Safari 4 version (i.e. 4.0.2) ?

> >

> >  <http://www.apple.com/safari/download/>

> >

> >

> > À+,

> > --

> > Jean-Noël

> >

>

Thanks Gary!  At least if the site is working well on computers then perhaps

it's just a case of a problem my end.  I shan't worry about this now and later

I'll invest in Leopard where hopefully this problem for me will not exist.



Thanks to everyone too for their feedback



Barry



--- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, "bbyrdhouse52" <gary@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi Barry,

>

> I just visited your site in Safari 4 and then in Firefox 3.5. Both sites

> came up rather quickly but Safari 4 actually came up a bit faster.

>

> All of the movies played just perfectly in both browsers and I did not

> see any discrepancy between the two.

>

>

>

>

> Could you be more specific as to what exactly you are expecting Safari 4

> to do that Firefox is?

>

>

>

>

> Also, you might consider that by you removing Safari 4 from your system

> will not correct any problems that visitors to your site might have if

> they are using Safari 4.

>

> This is just my opinion, but it seems to me that it would better serve

> your customers to fix the content so that it does right in Safari 4

> rather than try to change your browser to Safari 3.2

>

> But, I did test all of the movies on your home page and on your video

> page and they all played very nicely.

>

> BTW ... You have done a great job on your site

>

>

> Gary

>

>

>

> --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, "bjwdirect" <bjwdirect@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi:

> >

> > This might seem off topic, but I've just downloaded the latest Beta of

> Sandvox to see if my site improves.  I currently have some smart Flash

> movie files on my home-page, which play really well in every browser

> except Safari 4.  Using Firefox, you can click on and off any one of

> these, but in Safari 4 (I'm using the Tiger version), some just don't

> play straight away.  They will eventually if you leave the page to sit

> there a while, but that's not the answer.

> >

> > So what's with Safari 4?  I'm trying to get the damn thing off my

> computer, but without much look.  One only has to Google Safari 4

> problems, and there's quite a few people out there that are very unhappy

> with it too.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Barry

> >

> > PS:  My site is www.barryjwale.com

> >

>

Hi Gary:



Yes, it is the night Breeze theme, and thanks for the complement.  Maybe there's

a problem with my computer, it's just that some of the videos of the front page

don't play immediately.  If the page has been sitting there on my computer for a

while, then they do.  It's odd.  This doesn't happen with Firefox.  I'm using a

3 year old MacBook Pro.



Barry



--- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, Mike Grimm <mgrimm@...> wrote:

>

> Barry, your site looks great (isn't that the Night Breeze theme) and

> works just fine for me. I'm using an old iBook (933 mhz) running OS X

> 10.4.11 and Safari 4.0.2.

>

> BTW, I really like the replacement banner graphic at the top.

>

> Mike

>

> On Jul 12, 2009, at 9:36 AM, bjwdirect wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Thanks Gary! At least if the site is working well on computers then

> > perhaps it's just a case of a problem my end. I shan't worry about

> > this now and later I'll invest in Leopard where hopefully this

> > problem for me will not exist.

> >

> > Thanks to everyone too for their feedback

> >

> > Barry

> >

> > --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, "bbyrdhouse52" <gary@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Barry,

> > >

> > > I just visited your site in Safari 4 and then in Firefox 3.5.

> > Both sites

> > > came up rather quickly but Safari 4 actually came up a bit faster.

> > >

> > > All of the movies played just perfectly in both browsers and I

> > did not

> > > see any discrepancy between the two.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Could you be more specific as to what exactly you are expecting

> > Safari 4

> > > to do that Firefox is?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Also, you might consider that by you removing Safari 4 from your

> > system

> > > will not correct any problems that visitors to your site might

> > have if

> > > they are using Safari 4.

> > >

> > > This is just my opinion, but it seems to me that it would better

> > serve

> > > your customers to fix the content so that it does right in Safari 4

> > > rather than try to change your browser to Safari 3.2

> > >

> > > But, I did test all of the movies on your home page and on your

> > video

> > > page and they all played very nicely.

> > >

> > > BTW ... You have done a great job on your site

> > >

> > >

> > > Gary

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In sandvox@yahoogroups.com, "bjwdirect" <bjwdirect@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi:

> > > >

> > > > This might seem off topic, but I've just downloaded the latest

> > Beta of

> > > Sandvox to see if my site improves. I currently have some smart

> > Flash

> > > movie files on my home-page, which play really well in every browser

> > > except Safari 4. Using Firefox, you can click on and off any one of

> > > these, but in Safari 4 (I'm using the Tiger version), some just

> > don't

> > > play straight away. They will eventually if you leave the page to

> > sit

> > > there a while, but that's not the answer.

> > > >

> > > > So what's with Safari 4? I'm trying to get the damn thing off my

> > > computer, but without much look. One only has to Google Safari 4

> > > problems, and there's quite a few people out there that are very

> > unhappy

> > > with it too.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Barry

> > > >

> > > > PS: My site is www.barryjwale.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>