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novo dinu 14,2,2007   Message List  
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Re: [sasxsek] novo dinu 29,3,2007

> The details are still being worked out but it looks like C & J
> will be used exclusive of each other, but right not it looks like J will
> also be kept exclusive of Y and Z, and probably the DZ combination. C?
> Probably exclusive of S and TS.
>
> This would also bring us up to 26 phonemes

Well, not really, because several will lack minimal pairs. You just keep
separate spellings to make the vocabulary easier to recognize.

While I am at it, I'll repeat my recommendation against having minimal pairs
between W and V. Minimal pairs between P/B and F may also cause trouble for
many people. On the other hand, minimal pairs between V and F are almost
harmless, at least as long as W is available.

Are there any minimal pairs between H and K, by the way?

> + Dropping the perjorative and ameliorative (-IH, -IQ) suffixes.
> This idea was basically taken from E-o, but it looks like its use is
> somewhat limited and could just as easily be handled with a qualifier.

Good idea. Words for "bad/good" or "dreadful/fantastic" will handle that
function at least as well.

(Pet peeve alert: It's "pejorative", from Latin peior "worse"; no relation
to "perjury".)

> On the other hand, it is convenient to package it all into a single
> word.

I suppose that's an important reason why not all languages are isolating.

I'm quite pleased with the other changes. Keep up the good work! :-)




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NOVO dinu 14,2,2007 ... * Work continues on the Esperanto materials. Right now they are about 25% finished. * PDF Dictionary The color scheme has been restored...
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... Well, you'll never completely solve the problem of how to have both a simple phonology and recognizability. Incidentally, your one-syllable word roots are...
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li [David Marjanovic] mi tulis la ... on ... it ... the ... I know. It's just something I'm trying to balance. I'd prefer not to add any more phonemes and...
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I've been considering the removal of <W> and <Y> from the orthography and just using <U> and <I> since the rules call for diphthongization anyway. I can't see...
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NOVO dinu 29,3,2007 ... * Work has been started on learning materials. A beginning grammar is currently in the works. * The Esperanto materials are...
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... Well, not really, because several will lack minimal pairs. You just keep separate spellings to make the vocabulary easier to recognize. While I am at it,...
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li [David Marjanovic] mi tulis la ... Technically the minimal pairs exist. I'm just lumping certain phonemes together logically for the purpose of vocabulary...
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NOVO dinu 8,4,2007 ... There are a lot of changes this time so here they are. The good thing is that this brings the whole project to a place where many...
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... Why have all those suffixes in the first place? They'll be hard to learn for most people -- of the big world languages, I can think of one that has a ...
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li [David Marjanovic] mi tulis la ... suffix. ... it's ... with ... "learn"), ... The suffixes are there as building blocks. To keep the vocabulary as small as...
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... But... if you use vocabulary instead of grammar, I think you make a net bargain, at least concerning ease of learning. ... My main point was that the...
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