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novo dinu 8,4,2007

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dinu 8,4,2007
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There are a lot of changes this time so here they are. The good
thing is that this brings the whole project to a place where
many things can now be locked down permanently. Right now I
think it's safe to say the phonology and orthography will not be
altered any more. Expect the phonotactical rules to become more
lax as time goes on, which will affect some vocabulary but also
allow more freedom to add new words without mutilating them
beyond recognition.


CHANGES
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* Work has been started on learning materials. A beginning
grammar is currently in the works.


* The Esperanto materials are temporarily on hold while I catch
up on the many recent changes in the English references.


* /j/ J -> Y : This is strictly an orthographic change to free
up J for the addition of the two affricates. Reference materials
have been updated, but still not completely proofread so please
alert me should you find anything that doesn't look right.


* Adding C /tS/ and J /dZ/: These two new phonemes are now
added. The lexicon is now being reworked to accomodate These
additions. The most important change is the split of the
preposition "su" where "ju" is now used to indicate the
instrumental.


* Roots ending with -A. This is liminted to just concretes
because they will never need a passive formation. This will
change some vocabulary where an empenthetic consonant was added:
"biras" -> "bira", "durah" -> "dura", etc.


* New suffix -IB. This is actually a split of the -IF suffix.
Due to some big abiguity issues with -IF, this new suffix is
being added to distinguish "causing" and "becoming". Now, it's
clear what "sapif" means ("to cause to know" = "teach"), with
it's counterpart being "sapib" ("to come to know" = "learn"),
and derivative words will not be a problem any more.
Transitivity was the only thing before that kept the verbs
distinguished but derived words were not very clear. I should
advise that "-IB" may not be the final form for this suffix.
Often I put things the the vocabulary as placemarkers until I
get time to research a more recognizable form.

sap = to know
sapif = to teach
sapib = to learn
sapife = teacher
sapibe = learner, student


* The ampersand (&), the generic currency marker previously
announced now has a root assigned, "can" /tSan/. This word can
be used in place of the name of any currency to indicate the
local unit of currency, or any other currency unit that is
otherwise understood.

"100i &" (heki can) can be "100
dollars/euros/pounds/yen/etc."

"heki can" can also be shortened to "100&" (no space)
but still spoken the same, so remember the "-i" attached to the
number.

* More consonant combinations: Expect /ts/ and /dz/ in
medial position to be added soon. These rules are going to be
relaxed in small increments to accomodate a bigger vocabulary
over time but changes will be delayed as much as possible so as
to minimize the most difficult cluster combinations.


* A few more examples of lexical changes (but not all).

-j- -> -y- = (all former J's are now Y's)
$ (new) -> ju = by means of; using
sus -> juz = use; employ
zen -> zain = exist
biras -> bira = beer
mitros -> metra = meter, metre
litras -> litra = liter, litre
simab -> simba = lion
zen -> zain = exist
#(new) -> -ib = become ~

$ A split of SU to distinguish "through" from the
instrumental JU.
# Actually a split of -IF to distinguish "causing" and
"becoming".


* Under consideration.

+ Dropping the pejorative and ameliorative (-IH, -IQ)
suffixes is also still being contemplated. Either they will be
dropped in favor of some type of qualifier, or not.

+ Words like "fax", "taxi", "hospital", etc. are very
well known worldwide but currently are prohibited by
phonotactical and morphological rules so there may be some
exceptions made to allow words like these because I suspect if
they aren't allowed people will probably introduce them anyway.
In some cases, it may be possible to tweak them to fit better.
For example, maybe "taxi" could be made "taksa" or "taks" just
so there is no final "-i" giving the false impression that it's
a qualifier.

+ Rearrangement of the single-vowel particles for better
recognition. This is strictly cosmetic. They are expected to be
very infrequently used anyway.

A -> O = (vocative)
O -> E = (nominative)
U -> A = (accusative)


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deinx nxtxr / Dana Nutter

LI SASXSEK LATIS.
http://www.nutter.net/sasxsek





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NOVO dinu 14,2,2007 ... * Work continues on the Esperanto materials. Right now they are about 25% finished. * PDF Dictionary The color scheme has been restored...
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... Well, you'll never completely solve the problem of how to have both a simple phonology and recognizability. Incidentally, your one-syllable word roots are...
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li [David Marjanovic] mi tulis la ... on ... it ... the ... I know. It's just something I'm trying to balance. I'd prefer not to add any more phonemes and...
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I've been considering the removal of <W> and <Y> from the orthography and just using <U> and <I> since the rules call for diphthongization anyway. I can't see...
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NOVO dinu 29,3,2007 ... * Work has been started on learning materials. A beginning grammar is currently in the works. * The Esperanto materials are...
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... Well, not really, because several will lack minimal pairs. You just keep separate spellings to make the vocabulary easier to recognize. While I am at it,...
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li [David Marjanovic] mi tulis la ... Technically the minimal pairs exist. I'm just lumping certain phonemes together logically for the purpose of vocabulary...
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NOVO dinu 8,4,2007 ... There are a lot of changes this time so here they are. The good thing is that this brings the whole project to a place where many...
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... Why have all those suffixes in the first place? They'll be hard to learn for most people -- of the big world languages, I can think of one that has a ...
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li [David Marjanovic] mi tulis la ... suffix. ... it's ... with ... "learn"), ... The suffixes are there as building blocks. To keep the vocabulary as small as...
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... But... if you use vocabulary instead of grammar, I think you make a net bargain, at least concerning ease of learning. ... My main point was that the...
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... a ... I know, and that's why I orginally avoided the situation but I needed to make the derivatives distinguishable across the board. The use of "-if" for...
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