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novo dinu 14,2,2007   Message List  
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Re: [sasxsek] novo dinu 8,4,2007

> * New suffix -IB. This is actually a split of the -IF suffix.
> Due to some big abiguity issues with -IF, this new suffix is
> being added to distinguish "causing" and "becoming". Now, it's
> clear what "sapif" means ("to cause to know" = "teach"), with
> it's counterpart being "sapib" ("to come to know" = "learn"),
> and derivative words will not be a problem any more.

Why have all those suffixes in the first place? They'll be hard to learn for
most people -- of the big world languages, I can think of one that has a
causative (Arabic) and none that has an incohative (but I don't know enough
about Arabic). I guess they are one of the last reminiscences to Esperanto.
I think you should drop them in favor of verbs that mean "cause" (or just
"make") and "become".

Also, remember the general warnings about agglutinative conlangs:
http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/#e,
http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/q.html,
http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/u.html.

> sapife = teacher
> sapibe = learner, student

Why not "make-know person" and "become-know person"? That's the usual
Chinese approach (though not to these particular examples). I don't see why
an intl auxlang should be any less analytic than Mandarin. Word stress is
fixed, so there shouldn't be any ambiguities.

> * More consonant combinations: Expect /ts/ and /dz/ in
> medial position to be added soon.

As long as that's not in addition to /tS~dZ/, that's fine.

> * Under consideration.
>
> + Dropping the pejorative and ameliorative (-IH, -IQ)
> suffixes is also still being contemplated. Either they will be
> dropped in favor of some type of qualifier, or not.

Just do it :-)




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NOVO dinu 14,2,2007 ... * Work continues on the Esperanto materials. Right now they are about 25% finished. * PDF Dictionary The color scheme has been restored...
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... Well, you'll never completely solve the problem of how to have both a simple phonology and recognizability. Incidentally, your one-syllable word roots are...
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li [David Marjanovic] mi tulis la ... on ... it ... the ... I know. It's just something I'm trying to balance. I'd prefer not to add any more phonemes and...
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I've been considering the removal of <W> and <Y> from the orthography and just using <U> and <I> since the rules call for diphthongization anyway. I can't see...
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NOVO dinu 29,3,2007 ... * Work has been started on learning materials. A beginning grammar is currently in the works. * The Esperanto materials are...
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... Well, not really, because several will lack minimal pairs. You just keep separate spellings to make the vocabulary easier to recognize. While I am at it,...
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li [David Marjanovic] mi tulis la ... Technically the minimal pairs exist. I'm just lumping certain phonemes together logically for the purpose of vocabulary...
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NOVO dinu 8,4,2007 ... There are a lot of changes this time so here they are. The good thing is that this brings the whole project to a place where many...
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... Why have all those suffixes in the first place? They'll be hard to learn for most people -- of the big world languages, I can think of one that has a ...
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