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RE: [sasxsek] Miscellanea

> [mailto:sasxsek@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Marjanovic

> We should _most definitely not_ do it the Esperanto way (described
in the
> bottom half of http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/s.html).
We should
> do it the Chinese way: Bulgar-land, Bulgar-man, Bulgar-language...

> completely regular and predictable.

This presumes that the whole world is made up of nations whose
people, language and culture are all in pefect alignment. In
reality, we have ethnic groups with no political entities (ex:
Kurds, though that may soon change) or that are scattered about (ex:
Gypsies) and languages that cover more than one nation, or in some
cases, only part of a nation. Some nations are named for the people
(ex: Deutschland), and some people are named after their nation
(Français). Others are not aligned at all as with China (Zhongguo)
and its people (Han), and the people of Taiwan still consider
themselves to be "Chinese" as do Chinese populations in Singapore
and other parts of Asia. If we took the "Chinese way" we'd have to
make things like "America-language" which really means nothing, but
could also mean English, Spanish, Quechua some other indigenous
language.

The answer is to make each one a proper noun. Proper nouns being
taken from native forms therefore they will be arranged in their
native fashion.


> This way you'd also avoid the question of why you took the
masculine forms
> (-in, -ski) when not only feminine (-ina, -ska) but even neuter
ones
> (*-ino, -sko) are available.
>
> (And, actually, the Slavic -in- suffix is just another
> adjective-forming suffix. It does not automatically refer to
people.)


"-in" is not there as a suffix. It's there because the whole form
was taken to form the name.





Fri Jun 6, 2008 2:14 pm

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Hi, I've a lot of comments about the S:S dictionary, I'll post them as time allows. I think that in cases where in a local language the name of person and that...
Dmitri Ivanov
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Jun 6, 2008
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... time allows. ... and ... for ... words ... tong ... at ... No, there aren't any words ending with clusters. There may be some *names* like that but...
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Jun 6, 2008
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... We should _most definitely not_ do it the Esperanto way (described in the bottom half of http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/s.html). We should do it...
David Marjanovic
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... in the ... We should ... This presumes that the whole world is made up of nations whose people, language and culture are all in pefect alignment. In ...
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Jun 6, 2008
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A part of entry under "fut" seems to be under "futon". Compound words like hatifxkam are easily analysible but the actual meaning might be vague: I thought at...
Dmitri Ivanov
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Jun 6, 2008
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... I'll have to take a look. I know the dictionary needs a lot of cleanup. Especially since there have been changes where I haven't had time to update both...
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Jun 6, 2008
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... ARGH! Sorry, I misrepresented that. I mean "Bulgar-land-man". ... Off-topic: will not be allowed by the Turkish military in the foreseeable future. ... ...
David Marjanovic
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Jun 6, 2008
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... being ... Yes, it's complicated but so is the subject. It would be nice if it was all arranged into a neat little package where each ethinicity has a...
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Jun 6, 2008
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... Did you read the rest of the e-mail you quoted?...
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