In a message dated 4/9/2009 20:55:01 Eastern Daylight Time, veoler@... writes:
> happen = yeb, xufanzap.
"yeb", doesn't it mean "is concurrent (to)" (to gloss it my own way)?
And "xufanzap" "becomes real". This is a concept that I have had some
problem with, to find an accurate Latejami translation of the NSM
concept, perhaps that's only to expect due to differences in grammar.
"becomes real" have the advantage of using the same root as "there
is", which reduces the number of roots needed. Well, the same is true
for "yeb".
"Xufap" can also mean 'happen', in the sense of "be real", and may be a better choice here, or at least, another alternative.
"Yeb" is "occur at/when, happen, take place", so your gloss is accurate. Apparently you and I had the same problem finding suitable equivalents for the NSM term.
... Why don't you use "x" when the dynamics is unchanged static and "z" when it's unchanged dynamic? Using "v" seems a bit like you are refusing redundancy...
Veoler
veoler@...
Apr 10, 2009 12:54 am
In a message dated 4/9/2009 20:55:01 Eastern Daylight Time, veoler@... ... "Bavasu" refers explicitly to people as human animals and means 'humanity', ...
... Well, on page 40 in 'Semantics Primes and Universals' it says "all languages appear to distinguish, in one way or another, between a more general notion of...
Veoler
veoler@...
Apr 10, 2009 2:14 am
In a message dated 4/9/2009 20:55:01 Eastern Daylight Time, ... The main reason I did it this way is to make the changes explicit. If I did it as you suggest,...
In a message dated 4/9/2009 20:55:01 Eastern Daylight Time, ... The "y" comes first, then the vowel: yi. I dislike "yi", as well as "wo" and "wu", so if I...
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In a message dated 4/9/2009 20:55:01 Eastern Daylight Time, ... Both are 'reptile', with "ces" being specifically 'snake', and "ce'us" being '(any non-snake)...
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In a message dated 4/9/2009 20:55:01 Eastern Daylight Time, ... No, it's just a pack of animals, all of the same kind, that would be named with this...
... I meant, could it refer to a group of sharks or another "pack" where the individuals were not members of Carnivora, or just for packs of members of...
Veoler
veoler@...
Apr 10, 2009 2:18 am
... But that you already answered, since the word uses the classifier "be", I guess....
Veoler
veoler@...
Apr 10, 2009 2:21 am
In a message dated 4/9/2009 20:55:01 Eastern Daylight Time, ... Yes. NSM seems to conflate the two. stevo...
In a message dated 4/9/2009 20:55:01 Eastern Daylight Time, ... "Tanlom" is the anti-passive (allowing oblique patient) of "tam", "tanmom" is the anti-middle...
In a message dated 4/9/2009 20:55:01 Eastern Daylight Time, ... Perhaps not. "True" is a gloss of "xufak", in the sense of "real, actual, true, existent". In...
In a message dated 4/9/2009 20:55:01 Eastern Daylight Time, ... "Xufap" can also mean 'happen', in the sense of "be real", and may be a better choice here, or...
In a message dated 4/9/2009 20:55:01 Eastern Daylight Time, ... I wasn't sure what the NSM term meant, so I included both the transitive and intransitive. In...
In a message dated 4/9/2009 20:55:01 Eastern Daylight Time, ... 'Walk' is "timep". Neither "tisep" nor "timep" could normally be used in "it goes on and on",...
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In a message dated 4/9/2009 20:55:01 Eastern Daylight Time, ... I based these words for "if" on Lojban equivalents. The Latejami basic word for "if" is...
... I have yet to study Lojban. Could you explain them? -- Veoler...
Veoler
veoler@...
Apr 17, 2009 11:23 am
In a message dated 4/9/2009 20:55:01 Eastern Daylight Time, ... Yes, it's the open adjective suffix, equivalent to Latejami "yu". I have some concerns about...
In a message dated 4/9/2009 22:14:49 Eastern Daylight Time, ... Okay, then maybe "bavasi zok" (plural) is better for "people". "Bavasu" (generic) means...
... "resu bavak" then? My impression of NSM is that it is a generic noun, not plural. (Shouldn't "bavasu" be synonymous to "resu bavak", since human beings are...
Veoler
veoler@...
Apr 17, 2009 11:37 am
In a message dated 4/9/2009 22:18:35 Eastern Daylight Time, ... Ah, yes, it is strictly members of Carnivora, not just any collection that English calls a...
... Yes. If the classifier is supposed to always be semantically precise then it doesn't make sense, since a group of carnivores isn't a kind of carnivore....
Veoler
veoler@...
Apr 17, 2009 11:48 am
In a message dated 4/17/2009 07:37:29 Eastern Daylight Time, ... It's possible that NSM PEOPLE is generic, rather than plural. I've always had doubts about...
In a message dated 4/17/2009 07:37:29 Eastern Daylight Time, ... In general "resu bavak" ('human person' [generic]) is indeed synonymous with "bavasu" ('human...
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