Does anyone know if the Photoshop full academic version is the same as the
full version in the stores?  The academic is available for around $200.

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Our UMAX 1200S has what seems to be stepper motor chatter just before the
start of a scan and at the end of the scan cycle, when the carriage "docks"
in the home position. Has done this since we took it out of the box. Scans
look ok. Just worried that the stepper might eventually flail itself into
non-functioning state.

Have contacted UMAX support. If get an answer, will post, but would
appreciate hearing from the group.

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Low mileage external version of Nikon LS-20 35mm film scanner. Perfect
functionally and cosmetically. Comes with all original Nikon-supplied
accessories (film strip holder, SCSI card, cable, manuals, software).  I'd
like to get $625 + shipping.  I'm upgrading (hopefully) to the LS-2000.

Regards,

Dave F.

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I would appreciate any ideas about the ScanMaker V600, especially about:

1-Ease of installation
	 a-SCSI
	 2-Parallel port with printer and tape deck already attached
2-Ease of text copying
3-Opinion of Caere OCR LE
4-Tech support
5-Where's the best place to buy?

Thanks a lot.
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>>
>> RBedw51767 <scan@...> wrote:
>>
>> > The only scanner that I have been able to find that will scan both 2
>> > 1/4 x 2 1/4 and 35mm negatives is made by Nikon.  However, it is
>> > extremely costly at around $10,000.   Can anyone direct me to a
>> > scanner that would accommodate both sizes and would be in the below
>> > $3000 price range.  A used one would be acceptable.  Your help is
>> > appreciated.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think that Minolta has one, or was it Canon... (I'm just back from
>> a computer fair and there was so much brands and models that I'm
>> mixing things up)... but I'm not sure they are cheaper; as soon as
>> you get to larger format things become more expansive.
>>
>> Christiane Roh
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>Hi
>  The Polaroid SprintScan 45 film scanner does 35, 120/220, 2 1/4 x 2
>1/4, 4x5 up to 8000 dpi. It costs between $7200-$9500 depending on
>software. Depending on the software (Bnuscan is available bundled).
>AZTEK at 1-800-GRAPH-55 has them at these prices.
>Regards
>Phil Lippincott

The Agfa Duoscan will scan 35mm up to 3" x 5" transparancies at 1000 x
2000 dpi optical resolution. I have found the quality to be much better
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rohcris wrote:
>
> RBedw51767 <scan@...> wrote:
>
> > The only scanner that I have been able to find that will scan both 2
> > 1/4 x 2 1/4 and 35mm negatives is made by Nikon.  However, it is
> > extremely costly at around $10,000.   Can anyone direct me to a
> > scanner that would accommodate both sizes and would be in the below
> > $3000 price range.  A used one would be acceptable.  Your help is
> > appreciated.
>
> Hi,
>
> I think that Minolta has one, or was it Canon... (I'm just back from
> a computer fair and there was so much brands and models that I'm
> mixing things up)... but I'm not sure they are cheaper; as soon as
> you get to larger format things become more expansive.
>
> Christiane Roh
> rohcris@...
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Hi
   The Polaroid SprintScan 45 film scanner does 35, 120/220, 2 1/4 x 2
1/4, 4x5 up to 8000 dpi. It costs between $7200-$9500 depending on
software. Depending on the software (Bnuscan is available bundled).
AZTEK at 1-800-GRAPH-55 has them at these prices.
Regards
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Nick Hunter <scan@...> wrote:

> Is it going to
> >be worth the $199 to upgrade, and/or the $995 to purchase full program?
>
> Would anyone happen to know, is it the same price to upgrade from
> earlier versions? 3.0.4 in my case.
>
> Nick Hunter
>

Yes it's the same price from earlier version; it's a little more if
you upgrade from a LE version to the Full version. Which makes it
really convenient to get bunddled with a scanner.

For instance, from any older French version to the new one : 575
Swiss francs and from any LE version to the full version : 650 Swiss
francs.

Now the change between $ and Swiss francs is 1.5 approximately. I
know there are less French versions sold than English versions, but
the price for an English update is still costing 450 Swiss
francs here :(  199$, say 200$ times the changing's rate, 1.5, makes
300 Swiss francs, so I wonder why we shall pay 450 Swiss francs ...
that is 30% more than the change... I agree there are administrative
costs, but 30% more ! I know this is a problem in any other European
lands and propably in other lands too...
Christiane Roh
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RBedw51767 <scan@...> wrote:

> The only scanner that I have been able to find that will scan both 2
> 1/4 x 2 1/4 and 35mm negatives is made by Nikon.  However, it is
> extremely costly at around $10,000.   Can anyone direct me to a
> scanner that would accommodate both sizes and would be in the below
> $3000 price range.  A used one would be acceptable.  Your help is
> appreciated.


Hi,

I think that Minolta has one, or was it Canon... (I'm just back from
a computer fair and there was so much brands and models that I'm
mixing things up)... but I'm not sure they are cheaper; as soon as
you get to larger format things become more expansive.


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Thanks to all for the info, I already had it, I wanted to know direct
experiences with this scanner. May be next week I´ll fligth 3.000 km to
test one as I´m seriously interested in buying one ( it is a pity that
I´m also childless :–), I´ll keep you posted, after my return may 18

Regards
Jose

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Have a look at Agfa Duoscan, it a very versatil scanner, Optical density
is rather poor ( 3.2 ) but enough for negatives
Regards
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Is it going to
>be worth the $199 to upgrade, and/or the $995 to purchase full program?

Would anyone happen to know, is it the same price to upgrade from earlier
versions? 3.0.4 in my case.

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In a message dated 98-04-30 20:24:47 EDT, you write:

> 7200 ppi to max out the Epson 3000's input capabilities.  I
>  personally don't think I'd ever enlarge 35mm 16 times but I know a lot of
>  photographers who do (and their choice of images and their artistry seem to
>  make it work esthetically).  So, there are some hobbiests who might have
>  good reason to seek at least getting close to photograin resolution.

I have enlarged three of my 35 mm photos (Kodak Royal Gold color negative) to
30" x 40" (approx. 27x actual enlargment factor, with a bit of margins on long
sides and a bit of cropping on short sides, to fit the proportions).

The grain is visible, but, IMO, not intrusive on the print of that size.

To accommodate the current high end and future films, there are some really
high resolution scanners out there. For example, Agfa's top of the line floor-
standing, dual scanning path unit can go up to 8000 dpi optical, AFAIK.

What's the use you ask, if all we'll resolve is grain ? The answer is de-
screening, a process of re-building a continuous tone image out of a dithered
image made of dots. Rather than using smoothing to obliterate details, a smart
algorithm detects colors and gaps, and extrapolates without filtering out the
high frequency image information, i.e. loosing detail.

Alex
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>jose luis gonzalez wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> I´m interested in buying a Eurocore Hi Scan ( a mini drum desktop
>> scanner ) Is there anyone  that has information on it.
>> Thanks in advance
>> Regards
>> Jose Luis
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>I tested one once ( about a year ago) in a benchmark comparison against
>a Howtek 4500 and it did not compare favorably. The price was similar to
>the Howtek but the color accuracy and number of optical aperatures was
>less. I'm sorry I don't more specific information.
>Regards
>Phil


Hmmm -- well that sure dampened my lust.

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>For most hobbiests, the output medium will determine the ultimate
>"graininess" of the print!  A Stylus Photo is not going to duplicate the
>smoothness of the traditional photographic process or something like the
>Kodak Pegasus or Fuji Pictography printing systems.

Not so sure I "totally" agree with that -- maybe with emphasis on "most".
For something like the Epson Stylus 3000, where you may be trying to print
up to 16 inch by 20 inch at 1440 dpi (output, say 450 ppi input) from a
35mm neg you may very well need to get down into the film grain level.
That is roughly a 16 times magnification which would require a scan of 450
ppi x 16 or 7200 ppi to max out the Epson 3000's input capabilities.  I
personally don't think I'd ever enlarge 35mm 16 times but I know a lot of
photographers who do (and their choice of images and their artistry seem to
make it work esthetically).  So, there are some hobbiests who might have
good reason to seek at least getting close to photograin resolution.

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>The only scanner that I have been able to find that will scan both 2 1/4 x 2
>1/4 and 35mm negatives is made by Nikon.  However, it is extremely costly at
>around $10,000.   Can anyone direct me to a scanner that would accommodate
>both sizes and would be in the below $3000 price range.  A used one would be
>acceptable.  Your help is appreciated.
>
>Bob Bedwell

The Agfa Duoscan is around that price range these days.  Does a really nice
job on medium format negs but, since the optical resolution is only
1000x2000ppi it is marginal for 35mm.  The newer Agfa Duoscan T2000 XL
costs around $5000 (I think) and at 2000x2000 ppi optical res is much
better for 35mm.  Dynamic range is a bit higher on the T2000 XL.  The
really nice thing about the DuoScan is that it is both a reflective and
negative scanner.  It will scan up to an 8x10 transparency and a legal size
reflective print through separate optical paths.  Lets you do some nice
batch scanning.  The T2000XL has even larger bed sizes.


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>Hi all,
>I´m interested in buying a Eurocore Hi Scan ( a mini drum desktop
>scanner ) Is there anyone  that has information on it.
>Thanks in advance
>Regards
>Jose Luis

Yes indeedy -- it is on my significant lust list.  You can find all the
unholy details at their site http://www.eurocore.com/HiSCANmain.html

To arouse your lusts:
10,000 ppi optical res
36 bit color
4.5 optical density range
12.5" by 5.5" scan area

Now for the lust deflation:
cost $19,849

I think I'd sell my first born son for this baby --unfortunately I don't
have one.  Those who so, you can purchase it from DTP Direct,
http://dtpdirect.com




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snip
>I don't think so. Interference patterns occur when two regular patterns
>interact with one another -- as when the screen on a printed image
>interacts with the pixel pattern on a scanner. Photographic grain
>is randomly positioned (and the grains have significantly different
>sizes) and therefore can't cause interference patterns.
end snip
snip
>Personally, I'd settle for being able to reproduce the film grain with
>a scanner. If you could do that, you'd know you hadn't missed any detail
>the grain provides. If the grain is so course you're moved to blur it,
>you're using the wrong emulsion.
>
>Dave F.
>
end snip

I tend to agree on the interference issue BUT, I believe Blatner and Fraser
in Real World Photoshop 4 suggested the appearance of grain in most scanned
negatives, especially after sharpening, is most likely an interference
pattern set up between the film grain and the pixel matrix.  Not sure how
random the grain would have to be to avoid this (and I certainly don't want
to break out my college physics and math books) but I also don't want to
counter expert sources like RWPS4 based on my own lack of understanding.
So I'll leave it up in the air as a "well maybe".

I, also, would be very happy to have a scanner that would resolve
individual film grains.  I recently saw a desktop drum scanner advertised
which scans up to 5x7 negatives at 10,000ppi and 4.5 density range. Foot
profile no bigger than a notebook. Ought to do it. Only $20K.  I'll sell my
car.:-)



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Those of us that have spent years as pro photographers have also spent years
trying to get sharp pix, i.e. sharp grain.  As someone said,  when you use a
focuser in the darkroom you focus on the grain.  I would suggest if the grain
is too sharp on the scan, drop the resolution.  I try not to make things too
complicated.  Results are what count.

RJ Sroda
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Please have a look at "http://www.nikonusa.com/products/products.qry?id=127".
That page contains some specification of the LS-2000.

e.g.
o   Dynamic Range of 3.6
o   Fast - average scan times of 20 seconds at 2700 dpi.

Really interesting  ...               if true   :-)

Best regards
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On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:21:06 -0400, you wrote:

>> (Was the weather as nice in Palatka today as it was in Titusville!)
>>
>> Dan
>>
>After the snow stopped, it was marvelous :)
>
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   Only had flurries here <snicker>.

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> Hi all,
> I´m interested in buying a Eurocore Hi Scan ( a mini drum desktop
> scanner ) Is there anyone  that has information on it.
> Thanks in advance
> Regards
> Jose Luis
>
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I tested one once ( about a year ago) in a benchmark comparison against
a Howtek 4500 and it did not compare favorably. The price was similar to
the Howtek but the color accuracy and number of optical aperatures was
less. I'm sorry I don't more specific information.
Regards
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RBedw51767 wrote:
>
> The only scanner that I have been able to find that will scan both 2 1/4 x 2
> 1/4 and 35mm negatives is made by Nikon.  However, it is extremely costly at
> around $10,000.   Can anyone direct me to a scanner that would accommodate
> both sizes and would be in the below $3000 price range.  A used one would be
> acceptable.  Your help is appreciated.
>
> Bob Bedwell
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Polaroid SprintScan 45 also does 35mm, 120 and 4x5. It's price range
from AZTEK at 1-800-GRAPH-55 is $7200 (demo unit)- $8900.
Regaeds
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> (Was the weather as nice in Palatka today as it was in Titusville!)
>
> Dan
>
After the snow stopped, it was marvelous :)

--
Kirk Kief
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Hi

We have a Canoscan 2700F slide/scanner.

I notice that scans are covered in a light 'tartan' effect, light
criss-crossing horizontal and vertical lines.  They are worse in the
vertical direction and particularly noticeable in continuous
tone areas such as blue sky.

It appears on-screen and on prints (via an Epson Stylus Photo).

It seems worse for slides - I actually tried scanning a slide as a negative
and then inverting the image in photoshop.  The lines were still there
but not as bad. On the other hand there was less detail generally this way.

Is all this to be expected?

Or is our scanner badly calibrated?

Thanks for any help.

Lee

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>I did a few searches on DejaNews, but didn't find the answer to my
>question yet -- I'm still curious if there is a particular time of year
>when the different manufacturers introduce new scanner models.  Does
>anyone know?

i've followed the PC industry for over 10 years and never
noticed a cycle for any kind of computer peripheral unless
it is expected to develop great demand (in which case
christmas might be targeted). for example, PaperPorts and
Zip drives might have targeted xmas. why do you ask?

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***Quote***
Personally, I'd settle for being able to reproduce the film grain with
a scanner. If you could do that, you'd know you hadn't missed any detail
the grain provides. If the grain is so course you're moved to blur it,
you're using the wrong emulsion.
***End Quote***

I concur, but there are occasions when the image is already on film or due
to certain factors such as lighting conditions or even film on hand, you
have to do the best you can with what you have.  If grain resolution is
the problem, the film format should also be considered.  While Medium and
Large format systems do not lay down detail as densly as similar quality
35mm systems, the comparative enormity of the resulting film area compared
to 35mm more than makes up for it!

Interenstingly enough, the LS-1000 factory default resoution is 1350 dpi
or half it's maximum of 2700 dpi.  Depending on the output file size
required there are times when you are better off scanning at lower
resolution and using a good upsampling routine.  This won't add detail,
but can assist in eliminating aliasing effects to gain apparent sharpness.
Obviously the amount of upsampling required and the image makeup have a
lot to do with what technique works best.

For most hobbiests, the output medium will determine the ultimate
"graininess" of the print!  A Stylus Photo is not going to duplicate the
smoothness of the traditional photographic process or something like the
Kodak Pegasus or Fuji Pictography printing systems.
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Bob,

Polaroid also makes a multi-format scanner (at $4K ?). Also, I would look into
the high end flatbeds, such as Umax PowerLook III or PowerLook 3000, and Agfa
DuoScan. They have dynamic range nearly matching that of slide scanners and
optical resolution over 1K dpi.

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In addition to the subject newsgroup you can try alt.comp.periphs.scanner
and even rec.photo.digital as the same folks generally hang out in both
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The only scanner that I have been able to find that will scan both 2 1/4 x 2
1/4 and 35mm negatives is made by Nikon.  However, it is extremely costly at
around $10,000.   Can anyone direct me to a scanner that would accommodate
both sizes and would be in the below $3000 price range.  A used one would be
acceptable.  Your help is appreciated.

Bob Bedwell
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