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Does anyone else battle to convince the management in organisations about the need for a dedicated ScrumMaster? Time and time again I have seen organisations pay lip-service to this critical role, allocating a team member the responsibilities of the ScrumMaster “whatever those are”. People seem to have a block when it comes to comprehending Coaching. To me this is the same as saying that a world-class rugby team doesn’t need a full time coach. Management finds it difficult to measure the output of this role due to the very nature of it (although I might reflect that often it’s difficult to measure the output of managers too, but I guess management is exempt from measurement); spot the cynicism.

 

I feel that the role is of vital importance. It is often difficult for a new ScrumMaster (who is not yet a Master of Scrum) to know how to do their job. Guidance for the ScrumMaster (and team, PO and organisation) is important at the beginning. Certification training helps, but time, desire, perseverance and continuous review are the true tools for success. When the manager of a ScrumMaster doesn’t understand how the ScrumMaster could possibly be busy full-time, this becomes an impediment to the ScrumMaster. Management needs to trust that the ScrumMaster truly has the desire and ability to help the organisation become better at goal setting, and the team become better at achieving the goals set for them. I believe that in almost all scenarios this is a full-time concern. Lists of impediments range from poor physical environment to disruptive management style, to poor teamwork. All of these kinds of impediments require tactful, disciplined, productive discussion and resolution. Without the ScrumMaster, who is looking out for the people (not resources) on the team? Who is ensuring that time is taken to identify and resolve impediments?

 

Urrghhh!!

 

How do you sell this to managers as a critical, fulltime role? Is it worthwhile for instance having a daily Scrum with Manager(s) & ScrumMaster to view current impediments and action plans? The Manager is there to assist with impediment removal after all. I like what Jeff Sutherland mentioned in his recent post about Managers being accountable to investors regarding the removal of impediments.


Mike Freislich

 



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Does anyone else battle to convince the management in organisations about the need for a dedicated ScrumMaster? Time and time again I have seen organisations...
Mike Freislich
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Aug 27, 2008
6:58 am

I have been going through mails in this list with lot of interest and more of a silent observer so far... I have some views on this aspect: This typically...
an.narasimhan Offline Send Email Aug 27, 2008
7:18 am

I've always heard that a ScrumMaster can be *anyone *on the team. It does seem like a lot of work, though, and best suited for someone dedicated to the task...
Michael Hedgpeth
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Aug 27, 2008
10:47 am

... Where did you get that information from if I might ask? -- Sent from gmail so do not trust this communication. Do not send me sensitive information here,...
David H.
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Aug 27, 2008
10:53 am

This is what Cohn writes on his website: * The ScrumMaster role is typically filled by a project manager or a technical team leader but can be anyone. * ...
Michael Hedgpeth
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Aug 27, 2008
11:27 am

I would infer anyone who is senior and lead a team... -AN...
an.narasimhan Offline Send Email Aug 27, 2008
11:42 am

... Hash: SHA1 Scrum is about people, not technology. While anyone "can" be a ScrumMaster, not everyone "should" be a ScrumMaster. A superb technologist...
Alan Dayley
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Aug 27, 2008
1:31 pm

In my CSM classes, we have an exercise where the teams work on the question, "Can a ScrumMaster both be a ScrumMaster and a developer, or does this cause ...
Ken Schwaber
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Aug 29, 2008
1:47 pm

Agreed. In those cases where it is needed or the organization decides that it wants to go that way, I have found when the Scrummaster needs to step into their...
Mike Dwyer
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Aug 29, 2008
2:23 pm

I am generally of two minds on this subject which is admittedly inconsistent. On the one hand I tend to BELIEVE that a dedicated scrum master is a better scrum...
James S. Fosdick, PMP...
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Aug 27, 2008
7:02 pm

Mike, your organisation may be in a state where it's appropriate to have a full time SM. But it is hard to generalize! When I coach I allways say that you...
Geir Amsjo
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Aug 28, 2008
6:46 am

Hello, Mike. As I think about some things Mary Poppendieck has been saying, it's starting to seem to me that the need for a ScrumMaster in Scrum is a serious...
Ron Jeffries
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Aug 28, 2008
11:08 am

Ron, Yeowch! You argue some interesting and valid points. I agree that a well functioning, empowered team that continually strives to improve and has influence...
Mike Freislich
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Aug 28, 2008
1:42 pm

Hello, Mike. On Thursday, August 28, 2008, at 9:42:05 AM, you ... Well, my point isn't so much about teams starting out -- who do need help -- as it is about...
Ron Jeffries
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Aug 28, 2008
1:56 pm

Ron hits it right on. It is a dilemma and a conundrum. There are three management roles in a Scrum team. The ScrumMaster manages the process, the Product Owner...
Ken Schwaber
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Aug 28, 2008
3:33 pm

If I had to pick one thing I've observed to create the greatest impediment to a successful application of agile principles it is the failure of middle and...
James S. Fosdick, PMP...
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Aug 28, 2008
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The flip side of it is team members being afraid to do anything because they are used to others telling them what to do. They don't push the limits, Ken From:...
Ken Schwaber
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Aug 28, 2008
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... because they ... Indeed it's the "tails" side of the command and control coin. People unaccustomed to making their own decisions sometimes have great ...
James S. Fosdick, PMP...
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Aug 29, 2008
12:04 am

James,            I have to say this is the best read I have had in ages...... My teams are still laughing. I have even printed this and put it up on...
Richie Moyle
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Aug 29, 2008
1:46 am

I'd like to add a couple of 'amusing' anecdotes to this discussion. On an occasion, when I was a development contractor, I finished my designated task about...
Roy Morien
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Aug 29, 2008
4:38 am

As I've been saying in several messages, the goal should be to have those kinds of teams. In such an organization or project you might only have one scrum...
Jukka Lindström
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Aug 30, 2008
4:01 am

Ron, ... How so? In my understanding the ScrumMaster's duties include: - removing impediments. - ensuring the Scrum process is followed. Additionally (in my...
Don Gray
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Aug 28, 2008
1:58 pm

Hello, Don. On Thursday, August 28, 2008, at 9:58:27 AM, you ... Yes. The team needs to learn to do those things. So long as the SM is there, they are to a...
Ron Jeffries
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Aug 28, 2008
2:40 pm

Ron, I agree with you at end game, a properly self-organizing Scrum team may not need a ScrumMaster. I agree that a ScrumMaster can hamper the team's progress...
Don Gray
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Aug 28, 2008
7:17 pm

... This hits the nail on the head, and may not be the answer that many ScrumMasters wish to hear. We recently adopted Scrum in my organization, and I've been...
Sean Hart
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Aug 28, 2008
4:15 pm

... Hash: SHA1 ... - ---[clipped good stuff]--- You bring up some interesting discussion. Let me throw something back around. Why does a basketball (or any...
Alan Dayley
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Aug 29, 2008
3:23 am

Hello, Alan. On Thursday, August 28, 2008, at 11:23:03 PM, you ... Just as you say. In addition the role of a ScrumMaster is not much like that of a coach....
Ron Jeffries
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Aug 29, 2008
4:04 am

Thanks for the response, Ron. ... I disagree there. (May be my vanity speaking.) Let's look at a different analogy: House moving. It is no small project to...
Alan Dayley
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Aug 29, 2008
5:25 am

... This phrase, "the one", is the concern. Because it is the /ScrumMaster's/ job, it is not everyone's job. To some degree, many people will not do a job that...
Ron Jeffries
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Aug 29, 2008
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