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Re: [scrumdevelopment] How to cope with bugs ?

Questions of when to fix them aside - I would start to ask the question why weren't they found and fixed within the sprint that they occured? My focus is on reducing the time it takes to discover (and then fix) problems. After all if we discover a bug in the story during the sprint it is written then the PO shoudl accept it as being done. In addition early discovery will make it much easier to fix as the code is still fresh in the mind of the development team.

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Hi So far we haven't found the way to make bug-free software in my company :-) So team members are asking me where to put work effort for fixing bugs found in...
Pascal Maugeri
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Jul 9, 2009
9:12 pm

The only bug free software I have built sat on shelves Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ... From: Pascal Maugeri <pascal.maugeri@...> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009...
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Jul 9, 2009
9:38 pm

... A good topic for the team during retrospectives. I've seen teams with vanishingly small bug rates. ... I think that's a good idea. ... I would let the...
George Dinwiddie
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Jul 9, 2009
10:12 pm

I don't know that you really need to create user stories for defects. You can, however, put the defect on the backlog for it to be prioritized by the Product...
Jim Schiel
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Jul 10, 2009
12:03 am

... It is about developing a system and a culture. We categorize defects. Priority 1, blocking the user from working get immediate attention, the interrupt...
bkantelis Offline Send Email Jul 10, 2009
11:49 am

... This is an interesting approach: it is essentially an unfair scheduling algorithm in which it is not bug fixing that gets constrained and starved, but new...
Kevlin Henney
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Jul 10, 2009
12:13 pm

Hello, bkantelis. On Friday, July 10, 2009, at 7:48:12 AM, you ... Is that working? What have the teams done? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com ...
Ron Jeffries
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Jul 10, 2009
12:47 pm

I'd suggest that you create a separate user story for bug fixing for many reasons: 1. You need to keep track of the time and effort invested 2. Tasks withing...
juan_banda Offline Send Email Jul 16, 2009
1:42 pm

This is very good advice to a team that is using a traditional Waterfall type development approach. they would probably have enough bugs that they must have a...
Roy Morien
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Jul 16, 2009
2:06 pm

This should help you http://blog.mountaingoatsoftware.com/bugs-on-the-product-backlog...
jmilunsky Offline Send Email Jul 10, 2009
1:22 am

This should help you http://blog.mountaingoatsoftware.com/bugs-on-the-product-backlog Jack twitter.com/agilebuddy blog.agilebuddy.com...
jmilunsky Offline Send Email Jul 10, 2009
1:24 am

... Putting defects in the same backlog as ordinary developed features is something that may work for some teams at some times, but should ultimately be...
Kevlin Henney
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Jul 10, 2009
6:56 am

Hello, I understand your point here about 'unfair scheduling' of bugs. I don't agree though. If a bug is waiting to be fixed for a long time due to having a...
Jacob Ozolins
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Jul 10, 2009
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... Just to clarify, if something never happens because there is always something at a higher priority, this is technically known as an unfair scheduling...
Kevlin Henney
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Jul 10, 2009
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... I see now why people think the world is unfair. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com www.xprogramming.com/blog Do only what is necessary. Keep only what you...
Ron Jeffries
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Jul 10, 2009
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Hello, Pascal. On Thursday, July 9, 2009, at 5:11:44 PM, you ... With respect to Kevlin, a defect /is/ a negative feature. More interestingly, it is...
Ron Jeffries
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Jul 10, 2009
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What we do with bugs is this: Most bugs are logged during the same sprint that the user story is developed. We KNOW there will be bugs in what is created...
Vercauteren Tom
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Jul 14, 2009
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Hello, Tom. On Tuesday, July 14, 2009, at 10:38:54 AM, ... It seems to me that you are describing the effect of impediments that need to be removed. Does it...
Ron Jeffries
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Jul 14, 2009
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Questions of when to fix them aside - I would start to ask the question why weren't they found and fixed within the sprint that they occured? My focus is on...
Mark Levison
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Jul 15, 2009
7:12 pm

While we try diligently to find all issues during the sprint, it's not a guarantee that you will find them all. For example, a new version of the browser is...
jmilunsky Offline Send Email Jul 15, 2009
7:43 pm

Sure there will always be new and interesting bugs found, I'm just trying to force you to consider finding as many bugs as can be found sooner. If browser...
Mark Levison
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Jul 15, 2009
7:48 pm

For sure that's what you try to do. But for example, we don't support beta versions of browsers and inevitably when the new version of the browser ships one...
Jack Milunsky
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Jul 16, 2009
2:12 pm

Just for fun I summarized this thread on InfoQ: http://www.infoq.com/news/2009/07/coping-with-bugs - and there are a number of fairly vehement reactions: "Fix...
Mark Levison
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Jul 16, 2009
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