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At XP/AU 2004, I kept hearing the question of how to "sell Agile
to
the executives." I also heard a lot of discussion about
"crossing
the chasm," the book about the evolution of products from early
adoption to mainstream to late adoption. I got a chance to talk
about this with several other people (whose names I will only
disclose under duress), and I had the following insight: Agile is
not a product. Because it isn't a product, we shouldn't be
thinking
about selling it, we shouldn't be thinking about it crossing a
chasm.

Thinking of Agile as a product is particularly damaging because it
will cause Agile to have the same failure that CMM had when it was
viewed as a saleable commodity, as a product. People believed that
they could market it and make money from it. People who bought it
thought that they could then install it, train people on it, and
then they would be better. Bob Schatz from Primavera has often
pointed out that bringing Agile in is the start of an extensive
change process. Deciding on Agile is a commitment to an effort, not
the purchase of a solution.

I've been concerned for a while about organizations having some
success with Agile and deciding to go "Agile" whole hog.
Their
comments reflect a belief that Agile is something that can be
implemented, solving a problem, and then they can move on. More to
the truth, Agile is a commitment to collaboration, empowerment,
respecting each other, courage, flexibility, facing the truth, and
trust. It is about people, not products and solutions. I think
people who think they can buy an "Agile" product are going to
be in
for a rude shock.

I believe that Agile is part of a social revolution to help people
learn together to collaboratively figure out how to work and live in
an increasingly complex world. Agile is an attitude, not a product.
Agile is spirituality, not a religion. We don't have to sell it
as a
product. We don't have to evangelize it. We simply (and with
difficulty) have to live it. People will observe us and envy our joy
at work, and quake in fear and be defeated by our productivity. For
the old way of doing things doesn't cut it anymore. The Agile way
is
the appropriate response to our complex times.

So, be wary, Our culture thinks of everything as a saleable product.
It is the metaphor of out consumer society. We will fall back into
thinking of Agile as a product over and over, and it will confuse
our thinking. Whenever this happens to your neighbor, help them out.

Ken




Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:56 am

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At XP/AU 2004, I kept hearing the question of how to "sell Agile to the executives." I also heard a lot of discussion about "crossing the chasm," the book...
Ken Schwaber
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Aug 19, 2004
2:56 am

... Hear, hear! On the Selling Agile list and a few similar places, I've been saying roughly the same thing: We don't want to sell Agile. I share the thoughts...
Ron Jeffries
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Aug 19, 2004
3:12 am

Interesting perspective. I concur that Agile is not an "add water and stir" product. However it is a substantial change for people and organizations, and I...
Bil Simser
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Aug 19, 2004
1:15 pm

OK, what you say makes sense. But what does this mean for people who are desperate to work in an agile environment, but they are working in a non-agile shop...
Lisa Crispin
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Aug 20, 2004
3:18 pm

... There are very few people that "sell" Agile. Rather people try to convert the heathens into the rightous approach to doing work. And if they don't see our...
Bryan Zarnett
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Aug 20, 2004
3:59 pm

For unemployed people it can mean that in a job interview you ask what problem they would be hiring you to solve and you describe how you would solve it in an...
Steven Gordon
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Aug 20, 2004
4:44 pm

Ken: Nice reflection. Unfortunately, in our society, "selling" is part of our hard-earned Westernized second-nature. But so is leading by example, but I...
Mike Beedle
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Aug 20, 2004
6:51 pm

Hi Guys, I guess -- like it or not -- we're using sales techniques from the moment we are born :-)! We sell ourselves (the first step) and our ideas. I learned...
Linda Rising
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Aug 20, 2004
7:56 pm

Of course we're "selling" but in my mind the thing to remember is that we're selling something that isn't a product. If I sell a vacuum cleaner, I close the...
Mike Cohn
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Aug 20, 2004
8:15 pm

Hi Mike, I've written a collection of customer interaction patterns and the one at the "top" is -- It's a relationship, not a sale -- that is, you don't...
Linda Rising
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Aug 20, 2004
8:31 pm

I do agree that we are in fact "selling" for lack of a better word. I also agree that if we reduce what we do to a "product", our customers will lose its real...
Deb
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Aug 22, 2004
5:22 pm

... Deb: Great insights. Yes, in the end we are selling "culture change". And culture change is hard. Is "culture change" a "product".... or a "service", or...
Mike Beedle
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Aug 23, 2004
2:49 pm

Mike - this makes a lot of sense to me. I noted the need for patterns on the SellingAgile list recently too. One trend I see among ScrumMasters is the desire...
Deb
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Aug 23, 2004
4:41 pm

Hi Deb, I just sent this on to you and I'm also posting here: You can find summaries of the patterns here: http://www.cs.unca.edu/~manns/intropatterns.html I...
Linda Rising
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Aug 23, 2004
7:07 pm

One of your slides reminded me of another aphorism from Collins or Gharajedaghi: It's not the best ideas that get implemented; it's the ones that sounded the...
Pam Rostal
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Aug 23, 2004
8:02 pm

I make this mistake a lot :-)! I assume that because my idea is sooooo great -- that it will obviously be accepted. Often the best ideas fall by the way side...
Linda Rising
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Aug 23, 2004
8:12 pm

PMJI, but let's get back down to earth. I am a manager of a software applications development group, as well as a ScrumMaster. I didn't adopt an Agile...
ldrews Offline Send Email Aug 23, 2004
8:24 pm

Larry, I so far haven't viewed myself as a vendor. However, focusing on benefits is primary! Ken ... From: ldrews [mailto:ldrews@...] Sent: Monday,...
Ken Schwaber
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Aug 23, 2004
8:48 pm

Ken, I certainly don't mean vendor in a pejorative sense. Anyone who is "selling" me on a product, service, or new way of doing something and is receiving...
ldrews Offline Send Email Aug 24, 2004
2:02 pm

Larry: We do sell Scrum on "business issues" primarily on previous success with demonstrated case studies that show: * risk reduction * business-oriented...
Mike Beedle
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Aug 24, 2004
4:35 pm

Mike, I do agree with you that in the end it is the "fairy dust" that has much of the power. However, my experience tells me that that should remain our...
ldrews Offline Send Email Aug 24, 2004
6:04 pm

Yes, I totally agree: customer value is what sells. But since we are not selling a silver bullet, a one-size-fixes-all formula, the answer to anyone who...
Deb
debhart9 Offline Send Email
Aug 24, 2004
6:31 pm

Deb, If you and I are trying to communicate about Agile techniques, then organization patterns are an appropriate mechanism. They capture the essence and...
ldrews Offline Send Email Aug 24, 2004
7:38 pm

... True. There is resistance to pattern jargon and lore. One technique I have used somewhat successfully is to rename patterns to: Best Practices for...
Mike Beedle
beedlem Offline Send Email
Aug 24, 2004
7:43 pm

Is it possible that we are in vehement agreement? :-) ... Yes, quite so. I think of them as a teaching tool. The primary group of students are ScrumMasters in...
Deb
debhart9 Offline Send Email
Aug 24, 2004
9:00 pm

... This has always been a tricky thing. If I name the pattern after the solution, then it has the problem mentioned above. If I name it after the problem,...
Brad Appleton
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Aug 25, 2004
3:57 pm

Hi Guys, It seems that we might be confusing a couple of things -- not sure -- but a user of a pattern language for introducing new ideas wouldn't necessarily...
Linda Rising
risingl2000 Offline Send Email
Aug 25, 2004
4:18 pm

... Oh, absolutely. That's one of the basic patterns! As Ken has pointed out, we change culture by doing it, not talking about it. But that doesn't preclude...
Deb
debhart9 Offline Send Email
Aug 23, 2004
9:02 pm

It's what it's all about, Larry. The pattern is called Tailor Made....
Linda Rising
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Aug 23, 2004
9:05 pm
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