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Scrum / Agile's inherit shortcomings? Uncle Bob Martin's 7 theses n   Message List  
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Re:Scrum / Agile's inherit shortcomings? Uncle Bob Martin's 7 theses nailed to the door.


--- In scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com, Robert Martin <UncleBob@...> wrote:
>
>4. The C in CSM is unfortunate
>

Heusser's Position on this:

"You know, it might be more accurate to describe CSM as 'an introduction to new
product development.' That would help expand the class out of software
development and appeal to the whole team, not just one or two people on the
team. You would give a certificate away at the end of it, but not use rhetoric
like 'certified'"

----> If I wanted to propose this to the Scrum Alliance, what would the next
step be?


--heusser
CSM from Ron and Chet, 2009
It was a really good class ...
... And I am /embarrassed/ by the 'CSM' terminology and rhetoric




Fri Feb 5, 2010 3:14 pm

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Hello, Mark. On Thursday, February 4, 2010, at 10:24:48 AM, you ... Projects are foundering, Mark. //Most// of them, according to Ken. It strikes me as facile...
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Feb 4, 2010
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... Heusser's Position on this: "You know, it might be more accurate to describe CSM as 'an introduction to new product development.' That would help expand...
Matthew
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Feb 5, 2010
3:19 pm

... One of which would be that Scrum as it comes out of the box today in 2010 is a description from 1995 of how to apply ideas from 1986. I'm all for keeping...
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I think if we renamed scrum certified master to scrum certified novice then we would mitigate a lot of the damage... ... -- Sent from my mobile device Jeff...
Jeff Anderson
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Feb 11, 2010
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Robert Martin schreef: 2. 30 day sprints are too long. Most scrum teams have either shrunk them to 2 weeks or perform some kind of midpoint check at the two...
Maurice le Rutte
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Feb 5, 2010
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Hi Bob :) I agree with nearly all of your comments as things not in Scrum, though... wouldn't call it shortcomings and instead point out that Scrum by itself...
Bas Vodde
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Feb 6, 2010
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... Hi Bas, Another anti-management aspect of Scrum comes from the notion of separating people out into pigs & chickens, which sets up an "us vs them"...
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Hi, Yes.. though... AFAIK... *anyone* who is not involved with tasks on the Sprint Backlog would be a 'chicken'... not just management. Similarly, a...
Bas Vodde
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Feb 6, 2010
3:12 am

Some more risks in implementing only Scrum (as per Scrum Guide): 1. High Attrition: Software Companies which has high attrition due to various reasons, may...
Hariprakash Agrawal
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Feb 7, 2010
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Hello, Hariprakash. On Sunday, February 7, 2010, at 12:59:57 AM, ... Perhaps. Nothing else is likely to work well for such an organization. If I were pushing...
Ron Jeffries
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Feb 7, 2010
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Hi Ron / All, When I say Scrum, I refer to Scrum Guide published at http://www.scrum.org/scrumguides/ and whatever it does not mention, I like to call it a...
Hariprakash Agrawal
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Feb 8, 2010
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Hello, Hariprakash. On Monday, February 8, 2010, at 12:27:35 AM, ... No. In organizations of low trust more process is often IMPOSED. The purpose of imposing...
Ron Jeffries
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Feb 8, 2010
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AND Scrum... - did neither fix my marriage nor speed up my divorce - does not teleport me from one place to another - does not tell me how to treat my kids So...
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Hi Bas, In our scrum teams, in addition to the Scrum Master and Product Owner roles, we also have a specific role we call the "Architect". In our process...
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... He's the one who builds the Matrix, right? (Couldn't resist.)...
Adam Sroka
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Feb 8, 2010
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Hi James, What advantage does having an explicit role of architect give you? Bas...
Bas Vodde
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Feb 8, 2010
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Bas, On some of our scrum teams, the Product Owner (aka Product Manager, here) may be less technically oriented. In these situations, we created the Architect...
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Hi James, Well, I wouldn't want to say right away "thats wrong," think that would make no sense. An alternative of having an explicit architect role, could be...
Bas Vodde
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Feb 9, 2010
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I asked this question before, quite seriously, about 'architecture'. It did not seem to invoke any interest though. So I'll put it forward again. Exactly what...
Roy Morien
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Feb 9, 2010
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Here's a decent overview: http://www.agilearchitect.org/agile/role.htm While I don't agree with everything, it's a good start. I'm the architect at my...
woynam Offline Send Email Feb 9, 2010
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Thanks Mark. As coincidence will have it, IFOQ has an article in an email today that was abstracted as: The line between development and architecture is...
Roy Morien
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Feb 10, 2010
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Hello, Roy. On Tuesday, February 9, 2010, at 10:31:06 PM, you ... Hard to guess where that article will go. :) I think we'd agree that there are vague levels...
Ron Jeffries
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Feb 10, 2010
9:25 am

... I have seen it work, but only slightly less often than I have seen it fail. When I have seen it work it is usually because the "cross-organizational work"...
Adam Sroka
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Feb 10, 2010
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I asked this question before, quite seriously, about 'architecture'. It did not seem to invoke any interest though. So I'll put it forward again. Exactly what...
Roy Morien
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Feb 9, 2010
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<responding to Roy> ... For commercial software, the 'Architect' role only makes sense after the first product release, or if a product is intended to be part...
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What is an "organizational architect" ? Bas...
Bas Vodde
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Feb 9, 2010
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Well it does seem to me that a term that has been used since the year dot, DBA (Database Administrator) could be called the DBA (Database Architect), depending...
Roy Morien
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Feb 10, 2010
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Geez, I just finished a planning meeting and, all the while, it seems you all have discussed this topic the world over (since I created this thread yesterday)....
jameskleester Online Now Send Email Feb 10, 2010
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James, the situation you describe seem a lot like knowledge silos in a team. This is *not* a characteristic of a Scrum Team. Curiously I worked on a project...
Heitor Roriz Filho
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Feb 10, 2010
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I just feel that this question needs a "who cares?" answer. Do you have a working model with your architect where he is providing both value and...
Jeff Anderson
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Feb 9, 2010
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