Sure, we use it. Generally it's a bunch of team members standing around a whiteboard scribbling. Once a design is agreed upon, then it's off to the keyboards...
Hello, Mark. On Thursday, February 25, 2010, at 12:26:52 PM, ... You're doin it wrong. The company should buy you an EXPENSIVE digital camera. Ron Jeffries ...
Hi woynam, with the risk of being way off topic :) As you wrote, using RUP gave you hundreds of UML diagrams back in the days, which you found useless later...
I hear you. I'm certainly not blaming RUP. We chose to formalize the diagrams as part of our RUP "business case", i.e. our customized RUP blueprint. Part of...
Hello, dsrkkk. On Thursday, February 25, 2010, at 12:17:04 PM, ... I drew some boxes and lines on the whiteboard yesterday. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com ...
I use UML, maybe a bit more formally than most on the agile board, but not much. Some good oss tool can actually make it faster to organize thoughts and get...
When I use UML, it's typically to organize the thoughts *of a team*, and get them into the heads of the team members. And for that, a whiteboard works much...
That's why I always liked Booch better. My handwriting is so bad my boxes end up looking like clouds anyway! From: Ilja Preuß Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010...
One case for some of the tools is to reverse engineer the existing object model. Ideally, it would be small enough and clear enough as not to be necessary,...
I like Agile Model Driven Development's approach to UMLs. Basically (if I understood/am applying it correctly), the models that depicts that overview (business...
UML stands for 'Unified Modelling Language' ... note 'modelling LANGUAGE'. It is a way to describe a model of a system. It has some 13 or so diagrams, which...
Roy Morien
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Mar 2, 2010 3:38 am
Hi All, Already there is a concept of agile unified process, basically unified process for the agile world. UML has different notations depending on the ...
... Things have been written describing something called "Agile Unified Process". They are ... shall I say ... not universally accepted. Some of us think they...
Hi Ron, Thanks for the input. I may sound little bit bookish. As UML is a standard notation for OO development, and they claim it is process independent, is ...
Alternatives to UML? - IMHO, whatever gets the message across :-) Personally, I still do UMLs. And sometimes, I do UML-ish diagrams (like UML, but not...
Oh No! UMLBut! To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com From: franz.see@... Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 00:44:10 +0800 Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] UML and...
Roy Morien
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Mar 3, 2010 2:50 am
I mentioned this a few months ago, but for years, the IT world has chased the modeling dream through CASE tools, and eventually UML. I attended a panel...
Hi Roy, I'm sorry, but aren't you missing a point? UML does not tell you what diagrams to draw. UML provides you the _possibility_ of drawing different types...
No, I'm not missing the point. I am aware that you can adopt all or some of UML as you wish, or not, as the case may be. Up to you! Actually, UML /does/ tell...
Roy Morien
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Mar 3, 2010 2:20 am
Hi Roy, Sorry, but your first and second paragraphs contradict. And regarding your third paragraph, if another point of view than yours makes me a champion on...
I find the anti uml bias from some of the more respected members of this list a little amusing... For sure full blown mda case management style development is ...
If a picture is wirth a thousand words, then a working prototype is worth a thousand pictures. I would not classify myself as one of the 'respected members'...
Roy Morien
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Mar 13, 2010 6:22 am
Roy: Seems obvious to me that they never had anyone keypunch their code in from a coding sheet. Regards, Pete In a message dated 3/12/2010 10:22:47 P.M....
Keypunch? Coding Sheet? What sort of language is that? To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com From: PeteCRuth@... Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:41:08 -0500 ...
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