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Re: [scrumdevelopment] Re: scrum master with a non technical background

I have always been suspicious of Scrummasters. If there are a lot of
organizational obstacles and they are effective in removing them then
they are worth their weight in gold. However, there is a tendency to
devolve in one of two directions:

1) The team is highly effective and therefore the scrummaster role is
superfluous.

2) The obstacles that the team encounters are not of a kind that the
scrummaster can effectively remove because of lack of skill,
direction, or resources.

In the first case I wish that Scrum teams more often had the courage
to realize that scrummaster need not be a permanent role for an
individual on a team. At some point I would expect a mature Agile team
to realize that everyone is a facilitator/obstacle-remover and
therefore it isn't special.

For the second problem I think it is necessary to coach scrummasters
to more effectively identify where they can provide help and when to
ask for it themselves. It also behooves an organization that wants to
reap the benefits of Agile teams to make available resources (Such as
coaching or other expertise) for the scrummaster to turn to.

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:37 PM, John Goodsen <jgoodsen@...> wrote:
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> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:17 PM, woynam <woyna@...> wrote:
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>> Huh? The team is responsible for the technical practices, not the SM. The
SM's role is to ensure that the *process* is being followed, not that the
product is technically sound. If the process is being followed, it will be
rather apparent if the technical foundation is getting the job done.
>>
>> Whether it's a full time job really depends on the team, and the impediments.
If the team is well-versed in the process, then less time will be required
coaching. However, a large number of impediments may still take up a lot of
time.
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>> There are plenty of coaches that haven't played professionally, and yet
manage to lead their teams to victory. I'm a golfer. How many tournaments have
Butch Harmon, and Hank Haney won? Too few to count.
>>
> I didn't say they had to have a wall of trophies, but they damned well better
know how to golf if I'm going to pay them to coach me.  A scrum master that
doesn't know how to write software is of limited usefulness in my book.   I'll
take a coach that knows how to code over a scrum master any day.  There aren't
many around for everybody to have, so we've seen this role called Scrumaster
become the crutch, and daree I say a ploy to sell certification training to
people who often have no business being involved on a software project - at
least the dozens of
archealogically-challenged-just-got-my-certification-cuz-I-got-layed-off-manager\
s that I've been running into the last couple years.
>
> ... and I realize I'm prolly trolling because this *is* a Scrum list ... and
you know how I like to rile up the troops  :-)
>
> --
> John Goodsen                 RADSoft / Better Software Faster
> jgoodsen@...            Lean/Agile/XP/Scrum Coaching and Training
> http://www.radsoft.com          Ruby on Rails and Java Solutions
>
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Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:47 pm

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Hi, I would like to hear from forum members: "Does it help to have a scum master on a team without technical background, does he/she adds value to the team?" ...
poojawandile Offline Send Email Jun 10, 2010
10:43 am

Good question. The ScrumMaster is a team coach, not a player.  The ScrumMaster is to care for and improved the performance of the team.  Sometimes technical...
Alan Dayley
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Jun 10, 2010
1:34 pm

Personally speaking, a ScrumMaster that cannot coach technical skills also is rarely a full-time role, because most of the work in the day is technical. A...
John Goodsen
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Jun 10, 2010
8:49 pm

Huh? The team is responsible for the technical practices, not the SM. The SM's role is to ensure that the *process* is being followed, not that the product is...
woynam Offline Send Email Jun 10, 2010
9:20 pm

... better know how to golf if I'm going to pay them to coach me. A scrum master that doesn't know how to write software is of limited usefulness in my book....
John Goodsen
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Jun 10, 2010
9:37 pm

I have always been suspicious of Scrummasters. If there are a lot of organizational obstacles and they are effective in removing them then they are worth their...
Adam Sroka
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Jun 10, 2010
9:48 pm

I didn't really finish that thought: It is not necessary for scrummasters to be technical to be useful to a team if that team has obstacles that the...
Adam Sroka
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Jun 10, 2010
9:59 pm

Hi Pooja / All, I agree with John but same time, its very person dependent. If team is already in to agile or scrum (not scum) for some time and there is not...
Hariprakash Agrawal
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Jun 11, 2010
3:37 am

... Yes ... what I'd ask is whether what you're doing is likely to get you what you want ... whatever that is. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com ...
Ron Jeffries
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Jun 10, 2010
10:16 pm

yeah I think so. whatever it was ... :-) ... -- John Goodsen RADSoft / Better Software Faster jgoodsen@......
John Goodsen
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Jun 10, 2010
11:49 pm
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