I don't know who started that either, but the idea is to put the "why" first because that is the part that is about business value. Many of the the Cucumber...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Feb 2, 2010 1:42 am
Hello, Adam. On Monday, February 1, 2010, at 7:20:39 PM, you ... Makes little difference to me but as a developer I need to know what. Ron Jeffries ...
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Steve Ropa
steveropa
Feb 2, 2010 2:14 am
That's my fear as well. Templates start to put us in the Use Case camp....lead to process police. From: Michael James Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:08 PM ...
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Jay Conne
jay_conne
Feb 2, 2010 3:43 am
Laurent - "thinking tool" - nicely said. Tools provide leverage - tools can build or destroy. On a seminar call this evening I heard, "A hammer can build...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
Feb 2, 2010 4:07 am
Hi, Jeff, ... I didn't see anybody suggest that. James talked about needs, now wants. ... Multiple product owners? Are they not acting as one? If they're...
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Piotr Żołnie...
piotrzolnierek
Feb 2, 2010 4:54 am
Very, very sad that Ken Schwaber is advertising Vsts and M$ and a dev certification program... In my opinion this is an exact example how Software should not...
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Roy Morien
roymorien@...
Feb 2, 2010 5:33 am
Templates as such do not lead to process police. Managers who insist on rigid adherence to templates lead to process police. But the fact is, templates, or...
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Alan Dayley
alandond
Feb 2, 2010 5:35 am
I have found the template to be very powerful, though we don't always use it for some of the reasons already cited. The power we found is in connecting the...
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Ted Young
tedyoung
Feb 2, 2010 6:31 am
Couldn't there be better ways of connecting the developer to the end-user (who in my line of work is /not/ the customer)? This is why I really want the product...
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petriheiramo
Feb 2, 2010 6:33 am
Hi, ... I also find the "As a ...., I" template irritating to write. Yet, I see much value in spelling out the user in need, so I use the format "<user> can...
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petriheiramo
Feb 2, 2010 6:50 am
Hi, ... How about "System can clear and compress its database during nighttime"? Or "System can handle at least 1000 simultaneous user with an average response...
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Alan Dayley
alandond
Feb 2, 2010 6:50 am
The story behind the story card, the conversation as Mike Cohn calls them, is the most important. If you don't have communication with the customer (or the...
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Steve Ropa
steveropa
Feb 2, 2010 7:02 am
Actually, in many cases, it isn't the managers. I've seen teams jump onto the process police bandwagon far quicker than managers. From: Roy Morien Sent:...
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Steve Ropa
steveropa
Feb 2, 2010 7:04 am
I saw one from a product owner that went essentially "as a delighted customer, I can know that none of my data is being lost, so that I can sleep at night." ...
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Steve Ropa
steveropa
Feb 2, 2010 7:05 am
I honestly don't remember if this is directly from the XP explained book or from Ron, but I still like the statement that a story is a reminder to have a...
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Alan Dayley
alandond
Feb 2, 2010 7:14 am
Without knowing the context I see nothing particularly wrong with that one. Of course, it is a huge epic of little focus and difficult testing requirement. ...
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Roy Morien
roymorien@...
Feb 2, 2010 7:15 am
The statement ""System can handle at least 1000 simultaneous user with an average response time below 1s 95% of the time"?" doesn't seem to suggest any...
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Alan Dayley
alandond
Feb 2, 2010 7:17 am
... Never, ever is a very long time. We have a team that is creating building blocks for other teams to use in creating products. Some of their stories read...
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Roy Morien
roymorien@...
Feb 2, 2010 7:19 am
Given that the User Story is really just a short statement of a requirement, without substantial details, then the template should suffice, and indeed can be a...
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Roy Morien
roymorien@...
Feb 2, 2010 7:19 am
Which suggests what software components are to be developed? To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com From: theropas@... Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 00:04:13 -0700 ...
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geoff5033
Feb 2, 2010 8:45 am
Hi all I am looking for some input to some research I am doing on the impact of self-organisation on team motivation. In short I am researching whether, in...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Feb 2, 2010 12:16 pm
Hello, Petri. On Tuesday, February 2, 2010, at 1:48:39 AM, ... What do those stories give us? Who wants them? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com ...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Feb 2, 2010 12:37 pm
Hello, Alan. On Tuesday, February 2, 2010, at 1:50:45 AM, you ... Prior art perhaps: http://xprogramming.com/xpmag/expcardconversationconfirmation/ Essential...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Feb 2, 2010 12:59 pm
Hello, Roy. On Tuesday, February 2, 2010, at 2:08:36 AM, you ... The real work starts in backlog grooming, where the story is split down and where wise teams...
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Matthew
heusserm
Feb 2, 2010 1:11 pm
... In the process literature space, we like to talk about "transference", that is, how well an idea moves from one group to another. For example, I might say...
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Malapine
madbadrabbit
Feb 2, 2010 1:23 pm
... Couldn't these be reworded in terms of human users/goals ? "As a user, I want a response time of <X 95% of the time with <= 1000 users online, so I don't...
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Alan Dayley
alandond
Feb 2, 2010 1:59 pm
I first saw it in a Mike Cohn presentation but I freely acknowledge and thank you for doing it first! Credit where credit is due! In the continuum of Agile...
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scott preece
sepreece
Feb 2, 2010 2:22 pm
Hi, Ron, Answering your questions, I would say the stories give us constraints on the solution - quality-of-service bounds on system performance. I would...
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petriheiramo
Feb 2, 2010 4:11 pm
Hi, ... Definitely could, and those are good ways of doing just that :). I have to keep those examples in mind. Yours Sincerely, Petri ... Petri Heiramo ...
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Steve Ropa
steveropa
Feb 2, 2010 4:35 pm
That was basically what I said back to him. It doesn't add anything to the product at all. I guess I could suss out some sort of idea, but on the whole...
