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4678 Karl Scotland
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Oct 1, 2004
8:58 am
Saw this on the side of a London bus and thought maybe Ken was pushing the boat out for the next Scrum Gathering... http://www.o2scruminthepark.co.uk/scrum.php...
4679 Pete Bevin
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Oct 1, 2004
12:47 pm
If people aren't telling you about impediments, then either (a) they don't have any, or (b) they haven't yet grokked that they are personally committed to...
4680 Mike Cohn
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Oct 1, 2004
1:32 pm
That's great. I feel sorry for anyone who takes their ScrumMaster training from here by mistake: http://www.scrummaster.com --Mike Cohn Author of User Stories...
4681 Schiel James - SHS Ma...
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Oct 1, 2004
1:55 pm
Ouch! ... From: Mike Cohn [mailto:mike@...] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:32 AM To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE:...
4682 woynam Offline Send Email Oct 1, 2004
2:15 pm
Oh, I don't know. I've seen a few scrums where this could come in handy! :-) It would certainly aid the ScrumMaster in learning to deal with certain types of...
4683 Schiel James - SHS Ma...
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Oct 1, 2004
3:06 pm
"My way or the highway" becomes "My way or the ER." ... From: woynam [mailto:woyna@...] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:15 AM To:...
4684 Clinton Keith
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Oct 1, 2004
5:54 pm
The problem is that they have plenty of impediments _and_ they are working very late nights. One thing mentioed in the CSM course was that it was difficult for...
4685 Ron Jeffries
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Oct 1, 2004
7:44 pm
... The above does not feel to me to be in the spirit of Scrum and Agile methods. Am I missing something? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Scientists discover...
4686 woynam Offline Send Email Oct 1, 2004
8:20 pm
The team has committed to delivering the features, provided that there are no major impediments that aren't cleared in a reasonable amount of time. If the...
4687 Jeff Oberlander
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Oct 1, 2004
8:50 pm
It seems that this is saying that the only acceptable reason for not meeting the work in a sprint is because of an impediment, and it also seems an indirect...
4688 Pete Bevin
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Oct 1, 2004
9:09 pm
... Well, it's more likely that I'm missing something. But I think commitment is definitely in the spirit of Scrum. The only part that I think isn't in the...
4689 Marc Hamann
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Oct 1, 2004
9:35 pm
... So your problem is this: because of your work or local culture, or because of the personalities on your team, people are reluctant to rock the boat by...
4690 Ron Jeffries
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Oct 1, 2004
9:37 pm
... I could be wrong, but I had the impression that the feature set is always an estimate and that it is the sprint goal that is sacrosanct. I did NOT have the...
4691 Ron Jeffries
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Oct 1, 2004
9:54 pm
... That's not my problem. ... Not me. ... I was not aware that Sprint Goals were absolute commitments. I'm still not. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com "Some...
4692 todd
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Oct 1, 2004
9:59 pm
... still not. My reading is that sprints are time-boxed so features would be dropped to make the time. Though if features were consistently be dropped that...
4693 gjbelang1965 Offline Send Email Oct 1, 2004
10:58 pm
Strangely enough my initial attraction to SCRUM was due to the fact that I used to be the No 8 (SCRUMMASTER) for my rugby team. This would be heavenly to have...
4694 mike.dwyer1@...
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Oct 1, 2004
11:48 pm
Pete: I am curious, do you have a user/customer on the team? Do you have priorities set by a product owner? Have you as a Scrum Master aided the team and the...
4695 Schiel James - SHS Ma...
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Oct 2, 2004
2:19 am
This sounds to me like a situation where the "small steps" approach might be best. In other words, if the team is withholding impediments, it might be best to...
4696 Ron Jeffries
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Oct 2, 2004
2:52 am
... I'm more than a bit concerned about an environment that claims to have focus on individuals and interactions, and on responding to change, yet tells the...
4697 Marc Hamann
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Oct 2, 2004
3:36 am
... I guess that goes to show that there are lots of different problems in the world. It reminds me of Tolstoy's line about all happy families being happy in...
4698 Ron Jeffries
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Oct 2, 2004
4:02 am
... There are few notions expressed in the agile arena with which I disagree more than the above. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Do only what is necessary....
4699 Mike Cohn
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Oct 2, 2004
4:09 am
Ron-- Your understanding is correct. And there is always room to negotiate on exactly what a sprint goal means. Sometimes my teams barely make it, sometimes...
4700 Mike Cohn
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Oct 2, 2004
4:09 am
There's never a "massive amount of overtime." If something's wrong, it's wrong and something gets negotiated out of the sprint with the Product Owner. What's...
4701 Mike Cohn
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Oct 2, 2004
4:10 am
I don't find this speech inconsistent. One of the differences I find between Scrum and XP is how change is handled. XP allows the customer/product owner to...
4702 Dion Stewart
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Oct 2, 2004
4:21 am
I agree with Ron 100%. Forcing people to work overtime to ensure that the actual work done exactly matches the work that was planned is a characteristic of ...
4703 Ron Jeffries
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Oct 2, 2004
11:31 am
... Nor does it get more work done, or better work done. Quite the contrary in most cases. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Keep away from people who try to...
4704 Ron Jeffries
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Oct 2, 2004
11:58 am
... It's the part about "late nights" and signing up for the "backlog items" that seem to me to be inconsistent with what Scrum is. Let me go back to Pete's...
4705 Ron Jeffries
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Oct 2, 2004
12:10 pm
I'd have to be there to really know what you're doing, Marc, or what Pete is doing when he speaks similarly. So please don't take the following as being about...
4706 Pete Bevin
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Oct 2, 2004
2:02 pm
I think this thread is confusing two things, and I only said one of them. I was talking about reporting impediments, not estimating accurately. Personally, I...
4707 todd
toddhoff1 Offline Send Email
Oct 2, 2004
3:08 pm
... What is overtime? 40 hr per week is a made up number. 50 hr per week is perfectly acceptable amount of time. There's no reason for a drop in quality at 50 ...
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