1. Hours. 2. Because we still have not been able to size the stories small enough and so the information with hours is more indicative of progress. Regards,...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Apr 1, 2011 8:19 am
Hello, Rafael. On Thursday, March 31, 2011, at 11:25:19 PM, you ... Neither. Completed features (stories). ... Completed features are what the project is...
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Charles Bradley - Scr...
charles_brad...
Apr 1, 2011 3:44 pm
... I just count the ideal hours of tasks that are not in the "done" column on the Scrum Board. ... I recommend estimating Sprint tasks in ideal hours for the...
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Rafael Nascimento
rafabirth
Apr 1, 2011 6:57 pm
Brilliant people! Until now, very usefull and reflective comments! :) My teams in Brazil use both. We burn features, exactly as mentioned by Ron, and ideal...
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woynam
Apr 1, 2011 7:10 pm
The basic problem with burning down time for tasks, rather than completed stories, is that it encourages teams to focus on tasks, rather than features. We used...
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woynam
Apr 1, 2011 7:16 pm
Numerous people, including myself, will point out that measuring the "goodness"; of planning is a waste of time. If you use velocity as a guide for planning,...
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Erin Beierwaltes
erinestadler
Apr 1, 2011 8:42 pm
I was just having this discussion with another coach.. I see story points as a predictive measure of business value that takes into account much more than just...
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mj4scrum@...
michaeljames...
Apr 1, 2011 8:55 pm
Seems completely independent of business value to me. Something could be easy to do and valuable, or hard and pointless, and all other combinations. Sent from...
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Charles Bradley - Scr...
charles_brad...
Apr 1, 2011 9:06 pm
+1 to Mj's comment ... Did Erin mean : I see story points as a predictive measure of delivering business value that takes... ?? ... Charles Bradley, CSM, PSM I...
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Erin Beierwaltes
erinestadler
Apr 1, 2011 10:14 pm
Yes, that is what I meant. Sorry. Its Friday J From: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Bradley -...
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Mark Graybill
markdavidgra...
Apr 2, 2011 3:56 am
I agree. Since our reporting is binary, which is that a story is either done or not, then only the story points for whole completed stories are subtracted. ...
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Mark Graybill
markdavidgra...
Apr 2, 2011 4:31 am
You’re right if the meeting with owners was not successful in its objectives. Otherwise, all stories should be of value, IMO. From:...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Apr 2, 2011 9:37 am
... Well, we sort of agree. I don't count points. I count stories. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com I stand for excellence. I'm tired of people who stand for...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Apr 2, 2011 9:38 am
Hello, Mark. On Saturday, April 2, 2011, at 12:30:59 AM, you ... Of value, yes. But story value is not linear with story points. Story points measure cost,...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
Apr 2, 2011 4:49 pm
I highly recommend hand-drawing the burndown chart. (Or eliminating it altogether. More on that in a moment.) I've noticed that when SMs or teams use a...
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Michael James
michaeljames...
Apr 3, 2011 2:56 am
I'd like to make connections with some Boston-area Scrum/XP coaches, ideally someone I've communicated with before. Write to me offline. --mj ...
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Andrew
andrewpham74
Apr 3, 2011 3:40 pm
It all depends on the context of the your project and the enterprise. I have seen both...Whatever makes sense within a specific organizational context is ok. ...
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Andrew
andrewpham74
Apr 3, 2011 3:40 pm
I don't know if my previous reply went through but unless it is a very small project team with everyone located in the same room, using a tool, even a very...
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Andrew
andrewpham74
Apr 3, 2011 3:40 pm
Rather than hand drawing the burndown chart, it will be best to get a cheap tool such as Greenhopper to have the chart automatically updated whenever you or...
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M.Jalilnejad
mjalilnezhadb
Apr 3, 2011 3:41 pm
Nice answer Steve, You enlighted me. That's why I like this group After reading the answer, I think my question is wastful. Yes know the experience tells us...
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ronjeffries@...
ronaldejeffries
Apr 3, 2011 4:01 pm
Hi, Andrew, ... Yes, if "OK" is what you're after ... R...
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ronjeffries@...
ronaldejeffries
Apr 3, 2011 4:04 pm
Hello, Andrew, ... What advantages do you see to this practice, which seems in conflict with the advice of other coaches? In particular, I'm interested in it's...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
Apr 3, 2011 4:13 pm
Andrew, ... Interesting. And how do you use these burndown charts? Who looks at them and what decisions do them make based on them? ... How many times have...
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Andrew
andrewpham74
Apr 3, 2011 7:19 pm
Hi George, There are a few different kinds of burndown charts in Greenhopper (or in many other tools): a burndown chart that shows the remaining hours and a...
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Andrew
andrewpham74
Apr 3, 2011 7:19 pm
Hi Ron, Are you telling me that you have been essentially on projects where the burndown chart is mainly drawn by hand? How big is the team size and are all...
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Andrew
andrewpham74
Apr 3, 2011 7:19 pm
Hi Ron, Just got back from a lunch meeting and would like to know why you are so against using a tool to store team effort and to generate burndown chart for...
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Andrew Pham
andrewpham74
Apr 3, 2011 7:19 pm
Hi Ron, I don't know if my reply to your question came through or not but just wonder why you guys are so against using a tool to store team info and generate...
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Andrew Pham
andrewpham74
Apr 3, 2011 7:19 pm
Ron, So if you are brought into a company as an Agile coach, like myself, and they say that their team members are distributed around the USA or the world, how...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Apr 3, 2011 7:22 pm
Hello, Andrew. On Sunday, April 3, 2011, at 12:16:55 PM, you ... I am telling you that in my opinion, drawing charts by hand is better for the team than using...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Apr 3, 2011 7:24 pm
... Ease of use and cost are not the issue. Effectiveness is. ... This, too, is not consistent with Agile thinking. Again, effectiveness is maximized when...
