I was being somewhat facetious, but... This one is so fundamental, so basic, it's not something you finesse. There's three points that come to mind right away....
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woynam
Nov 1, 2011 3:48 pm
I agree with you on the 2nd point, but not the first. I assume the manager is a stakeholder, so they have a right to attend the planning meeting and provide...
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Michael James
michaeljames...
Nov 1, 2011 4:44 pm
... If what's written is important to you, you could read the last two of Ken's books for a pretty good starting point. I remember a Sprint Planning Meeting at...
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frede_swe
Nov 1, 2011 5:28 pm
I would argue that regardless if you're agile or not, noone is better at estimating than the ones building the stuff. :-)...
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Alan Dayley
alandond
Nov 1, 2011 6:09 pm
+1 We, the people doing the development work, are partially at fault for allowing others to estimate for us. We let them. Would you ever see.... ... You are...
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Charles Bradley - Scr...
charles_brad...
Nov 1, 2011 6:11 pm
... From the Scrum Guide: "The work to be performed in the Sprint is planned at the Sprint Planning Meeting. This plan is created by the collaborative work of...
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Charles Bradley - Scr...
charles_brad...
Nov 1, 2011 6:17 pm
Dave, ... needs to step in and stop the manager from getting involved in the planning process. End of story. Otherwise this is going to be another one of...
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woynam
Nov 1, 2011 6:24 pm
For a stakeholder, the review meeting is too late to influence the direction of the Sprint, as it's in the past. I'm sure we've all seen dysfunctional...
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woynam
Nov 1, 2011 6:27 pm
In my book, business and technical experts *are* stakeholders. Whether you call them that or not, the guide is very clear that non-team members may be invited...
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RonJeffries
ronaldejeffries
Nov 1, 2011 6:28 pm
Hi Mark ... ... I'd suggest that the planning meeting is also too late to influence the Sprint. There is one product owner, not many. Backlog grooming is where...
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woynam
Nov 1, 2011 6:34 pm
In a perfect world, yes. However, based on the estimates provided by the team at the meeting, the PO may have to juggle the PBIs around, and it's useful to...
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Michael James
michaeljames...
Nov 1, 2011 7:09 pm
... Since you object to the rules spelled out in the books, whose rules are you talking about? --mj...
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Charles Bradley - Scr...
charles_brad...
Nov 1, 2011 7:13 pm
... And there's the rub. Teams will almost never reject the advice of anyone(managers or other) who has a large impact on their future with the company,...
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Charles Bradley - Scr...
charles_brad...
Nov 1, 2011 7:16 pm
Mark, do your managers have a large impact on your future with the company? Large impact on other Scrum team members' future with the company?  ... Charles...
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Charles Bradley - Scr...
charles_brad...
Nov 1, 2011 7:25 pm
And just so there is no misunderstanding, I'm not advocating that people have poor collaboration with their stakeholders -- I would advocate for the opposite,...
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woynam
Nov 1, 2011 7:37 pm
I have no idea what you are talking about, Michael. The Scrum Guide and Ken's books are quite clear that non-team members can be invited to the planning...
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woynam
Nov 1, 2011 7:42 pm
Sure, and the team members have a large impact on the manager's future with the company, too. :-) As Franklin said, "We must all hang together, or assuredly we...
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woynam
Nov 1, 2011 7:57 pm
... True, but I've also seen cases where the manager was not in the room, but the team members *still* did not want to speak, fearing that what the said might...
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Charles Bradley - Scr...
charles_brad...
Nov 1, 2011 8:04 pm
Do they really? If the team doesn't like a manager** for a valid reason, but his boss doesn't care about that reason and loves that manager, what will happen...
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Charles Bradley - Scr...
charles_brad...
Nov 1, 2011 8:07 pm
... impact, I believe. My experiences are quite different than yours, then. I've seen it happen both ways, and it happens WAY more often when the manager is...
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David A Barrett
barrettdab
Nov 1, 2011 8:15 pm
... This point always comes up in these discussions. We're not talking about defects that are discovered during the Sprint(s) in which the feature is being...
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Riju Kansal
kriju
Nov 1, 2011 9:15 pm
No there wasn't. But a learning for me to do it from next time. Thanks, Riju VK...
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Barlotta, Michael [USA]
mbarlotta
Nov 1, 2011 9:17 pm
Interesting observations. Guess I thought I would share my 2 cents regarding some of these. Mike Barlotta Booz Allen Hamilton From:...
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Barlotta, Michael [USA]
mbarlotta
Nov 1, 2011 9:17 pm
I'll jump in regarding maint etc. We have a program which consists of multiple projects. Some projects are under major development efforts. There are goals to...
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Murali
muralinambiar
Nov 1, 2011 9:17 pm
Hi Though i am not sure about the solutions to the problam by Zhangki -Â can relate very well to the problem of salaries playing a part. Motivation is a key...
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Gary Brown
gb70840
Nov 1, 2011 10:03 pm
... I meant defects found in production. Yes, it is unplanned work. For me personally, I would probably put in some extra time to fix it. We are never going...
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mj4scrum@...
michaeljames...
Nov 1, 2011 10:27 pm
... How much extra time before you'd discuss it with the Product Owner? I've seen too many quick fixes turn into all nighters or cause regression failures. ...
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Gary Brown
gb70840
Nov 1, 2011 10:42 pm
... An amount of time that seemed reasonable to me. I'm not a beginner and I think I have a pretty good sense for when I have fallen down the rabbit hole....
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Malte Foegen
maltefoegen
Nov 2, 2011 12:05 am
We made a Scrum Poster based on the new Scrum Guide 2011. I just passed out 100 at the Scrum Gathering in London. The poster shows the key elements of Scrum...
