Good examples Mark. I agree with the documentation person(also rare) as an example. As to so called "non technical" testers -- in my opinion, all software...
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Steve
steveatootac
May 9, 2012 11:07 am
... Sort of depends exactly what you mean by 'take part in'! Without someone form the 'business who knows some of the detail of the User Story, the technical...
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woynam
May 9, 2012 2:10 pm
I completely agree, Lance. I've been harping for years that we spend *way* too much time focusing on estimation (and velocity) related skills and issues (i.e...
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woynam
May 9, 2012 2:16 pm
I have no problem re-estimating stories in the backlog that haven't started. It sounds like you're trying to equate story points with duration. A story point...
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Bret Wortman
WortmanB
May 9, 2012 2:46 pm
This is one of those great, ought to be obvious statements that just leapt off the screen at me today. Awesome. I need to frame this sentence, Mark....
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gopinath
gopinath_ram
May 9, 2012 3:14 pm
Mark, I am not trying to equate story points with duration. Not sure what made it sound otherwise. Sorry if I was not clear enough. All I am trying to say is -...
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Charles Bradley - Scr...
charles_brad...
May 9, 2012 3:31 pm
... experience. I can't imagine any other non-technical person being involved in planning poker. Can you? Steve then commented on my poorly worded...
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Bret Wortman
WortmanB
May 9, 2012 3:35 pm
I read the blog post and disagree with what I read. If the team worked on the story and didn't complete it, but the story gets re-estimated and the new point...
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David A Barrett
barrettdab
May 9, 2012 3:47 pm
Oh man. There's so much so wrong with this whole question. First, I'm beginning to think that "velocity"; should be considered a dirty word around here. We...
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Steve Ropa
steveropa
May 9, 2012 4:13 pm
I always struggle with the phrase "has to." and its variants. I have seen teams successfully do what you are suggesting and re-estimate their stories. I have...
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woynam
May 9, 2012 4:21 pm
As my mom used to say, "You can't have any dessert, because you didn't finish your vegetables." I had a math teacher once who didn't give partial credit. He'd...
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Steve Ropa
steveropa
May 9, 2012 4:23 pm
I wonder if anyone else has tried giving cards to the “non development team” members. I have found that sometimes you get a very interesting set of ...
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Kurt Häusler
kurt.haeusler
May 9, 2012 4:30 pm
... For sure. I meant everyone in the cross-functional team, excluding the PO and SM. In other words the development team. I also worded it poorly when I said...
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Charles Bradley - Scr...
charles_brad...
May 9, 2012 5:19 pm
Kurt, Thanks for the clarifications. I think once you get to the concept that Planning Poker is a "whole team estimate" (which I sometimes communicate as...
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Charles Bradley - Scr...
charles_brad...
May 9, 2012 5:27 pm
David, ... get "credit" (whatever the hell that is) for partially completed tasks. I wasn't aware of this. Do you have a source for this? The one thing I can...
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RonJeffries
ronaldejeffries
May 9, 2012 5:58 pm
Hi Bret, and all, ... I invented points, and I can tell you that this is not what I had in mind when I did it. "Credit" for getting things done, vs how hard...
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Bret Wortman
WortmanB
May 9, 2012 6:25 pm
Thanks, Ron. You know, after I wrote that, the bit about needing to know what to sign up for this sprint was bothering me too, and what I wrote about "the team...
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Adrian Howard
ajh65537
May 9, 2012 6:53 pm
Hi Yves, ... Like Steve - we don't use a scale. Indeed - in ten or so years of working with various kinds of agile team I don't recall *ever* having used a...
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Alan Dayley
alandond
May 9, 2012 7:13 pm
Just when I thought this thread was getting to long, Ron posts this excellent treatise. Thank you, Ron! Alan ... Just when I thought this thread was getting to...
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Charles Bradley - Scr...
charles_brad...
May 9, 2012 7:44 pm
+1 Ron -- Thank you for taking the time to post a thoughtful and insightful response. ... Charles Bradley http://www.ScrumCrazy.com ... +1 Ron -- Thank you...
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Whyves
yvesriel
May 9, 2012 7:46 pm
Thanks Kurt, At some point you have to use an objective method for deciding what is most important for the users of the product. It gives you insight on what...
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Whyves
yvesriel
May 9, 2012 7:46 pm
In our teams, we burndown tasks. I agree with the general concept that at the end, the most important thing is to deliver done stories and that the burdown is...
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Whyves
yvesriel
May 9, 2012 7:46 pm
Thanks Greg, Unfortunately I will not make it to SQE but I hope to be able to get my hands on your presentation after the event! Does you presentation also say...
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danieleberge
May 9, 2012 7:46 pm
Hi guys, we are a component (backend hadoop) devops team that does the following work... - take care of a hadoop infrastructure operations (many of our...
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Rama Bharti
ramabharti@...
May 9, 2012 7:46 pm
Thanks for your reply Charles. It clears my doubt. Regards, Rama On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Charles Bradley - Scrum Coach CSP CSM PSM I...
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gustavonarea_tech
gustavonarea...
May 9, 2012 7:46 pm
Hi Kurt, ... Yes, one story point is an ideal day of work for one person. ... Isn't that called "triangulation" and serves a different purpose? According to...
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gustavonarea_tech
gustavonarea...
May 9, 2012 7:46 pm
Hi Steve. Thanks for your response. You too seem to support the use of complexity for story points, as opposed to time/effort. We use time/effort for the...
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gustavonarea_tech
gustavonarea...
May 9, 2012 7:46 pm
Hi Charles, Your response is very useful. Thank you very much! It seems to me like the main thing we missed was to estimate as a team, driven by the desire to...
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RonJeffries
ronaldejeffries
May 9, 2012 7:54 pm
Hi Whyves, ... Actually, no, we do not "have to use an objective method". In fact, for almost every product we might be building, there IS NO POSSIBLE...
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Wouter Lagerweij
wouterla
May 9, 2012 10:43 pm
Hi Daniele, Interesting topic! What is the main reason your team feels you need to emphasize your team's value to the rest of the organisation? When using...
