Has anyone tried the LED grow lights with reduced spectrum light i.e. uses only
light waves plants need. How does it compare with regular fluorescent lights?




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Thanks for the info. about the aquarium thermometer,never would have guessed
it.Im not sure what cow patty flop is.I was thinking about adding blood
meal[miracle grow has a 3 lb.bag]Lowes has it for around $6.00 alot cheaper than
$50.00 for 48lbs.Just not sure how much to put in,or just the whole thing.Ya'll
are rite I  should just get some fresh manure.Thanks Again Rick    Have A Good
Day

A cheap themometer option can be found in most aquarium stores.  A tiny
weather-proof sensor is located on the end of a 3-5 foot long wire which plugs
into a small LCD panel which is often removable (I have even extended this wire
to over 10 feet, but it burns the battery a little faster).  This should allow
measurement inside most deeper compost piles.





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If you don't have enough "green Manure to keep stuff perking, add some of the
old Cow Flop brand periodically with the leaves and grass. Careful about fresh
cow, pig, or poultry manure tho.  MC

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I want to thank everyone who has responded to my post.A couple of days ago I
shorten the compost bin.It's now 5 feet long,same width & 2 feet taller{same 16
cu.of manure]just in a taller pile.No one around here sales compost
thermomators,and all I have is a turkey temp. gauge[olny 6 in. long.when I ck.
the compost temp.[got about 8-10 inchs in pile I got about 12 degrees temp.
rise.I also put some foam insulation on the sides[!/4 in. thick]left over fron a
job.And going to rap in 4 mil.plastic.Its been getting in the teens at night
here.I also put a 2 inch pvc pipe [has 1/2 holes all over it] in the compost
heart for air.I ck. on some nitrogen to put in it but it's $50.00 for 48 pds. I
read where someone circulated hot water thru a hose to get theres started.I'll
try some more suggestions from the grp. Please hurry I AINT GOT MUCH HAIR LEFT,
it' in the compost.thanks Rick  P.S. hope everyone has a great
christmas[remember who its for]

At 02:27 PM 12/20/2009 +0000, satisfiedsally wrote the message quoted below:

>I am a "volcano" style compost builder.
>I heap the beginnings into a cone shape and then every time there's new
>kitchen scraps, I dig a hole in the side and insert the pailfull through
>the side into the heart of the volcano where the heat builds up.
>
>Works good in winter, even.

I use sort of a variation of that method though I'm not sure it'd work for
everyone. I have about 3 acres that I mow in the summer. I am surrounded by
many, many acres of trees and also have many on the property upon which the
house sits so I have tons of leaves in the fall.

I mulch all of the grass, leaves, and vegetative debris. Then I pile it
into large piles at least 3-4 foot high on "out-of-the-way" sections of our
property. I also save my vegetable scraps from the kitchen and "insert"
them into the piles using a similar method. I make a whole in the top of
the pile by moving some of the pile to the side. Then I insert the veggie
scraps into the hole and cover it back up.

If you don't have enough grass, leaves and other vegetative debris to use
this method or you don't have room to make the large piles that I do, you
may want to do something different but it works for me.


   --
Happy Gardening & Birding,

Big Ray - Zone 7aVirginia

Hi All. I read John Jeavons and Louise Riotte mostly, for my garden knowledge.
This is my first post here, though I've used Seeds of Change seeds, and tools,
for years and years.

I am a "volcano" style compost builder.
  I heap the beginnings into a cone shape and then every time there's new kitchen
scraps, I dig a hole in the side and insert the pailfull through the side into
the heart of the volcano where the heat builds up.

Works good in winter, even.

Make sure you design the system with easy of use.  Your main problem is what to
do once you start losing heat, especially with such a small mass.  I have a 32
horse facility and compost manure and gave up using it as a heat source.  You
have to stir it and wet it and continue to add more mass.  My suggestion would
be to capture the air rising off the composting material and move it through the
structure.  You'll end up having to move your water hose all the time.  It can
be done though.  Maybe make the box larger, insulated with a squirrel fan and an
easy way to move out the old manure and in with the new.  Maybe an auger.  Maybe
an auger for both input and outtake.  Whatever you do you want to make sure its
not labor intense as the initial idea you have, because it will take a whole lot
of labor to keep it functioning.

I am beginning to think the the best system for a green house is a simple
geothermal with a solar fan system to move the air.   It takes up no room other
than an entrance and exit port to the pipe exhaust and return openings.

Richard Stewart
Carriage House Farm
North Bend, Ohio

An Ohio Century Farm Est. 1855

(513) 967-1106
http://www.carriagehousefarmllc.com
rstewart@...

Providing quality, healthy food to the following:
Chalk Restaurant
Orchids
Savor Catering & Events
Local 127



On Dec 17, 2009, at 3:30 PM, rick_secoy@... wrote:

> Hello All,Im a newbie here,and dont have much experience in this area.So
please be gentle.Im trying to set-up a horse manure compost for heating
water[greenhouse].I have ti in a box [3 1/2feet wide x 7 feet long x8 inches
tall.The manure is pretty fresh,has wood shavings mixed in it[from a stable]From
what I've read on the internet it's gives of a lot of heat.I have a water hose
laid out in a serpetine & it has green grass shavings[damp]over that & brown
leaves [damp] on that,with a plastic tarp over it all.So far it's just sitting
there looking stupid.I stuck a temp. probe into manure & it was 10 degrees
colder than ambient temp..Please remember I'm as green at this as you can
get.Just wanting fertilizer & hot water.Does anyone have any suggestions on how
to get it cooking, or did I not do something rite.Thanks
>
>



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Hi Rick,

You might try consolidating your pile, I think it might be too spread out to
generate and hold heat effectively. If you have approx 16 cubic feet of compost
(3.5 x 7 x .66) try building a pile that is 2.5 - 3 feet in length, width, and
height.

Good luck,
-Jeff

--- On Thu, 12/17/09, rick_secoy@... <rick_secoy@...> wrote:

From: rick_secoy@... <rick_secoy@...>
Subject: [seedsofchange] Horse Manure Compost  for Heating
To: seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 12:30 PM

Hello All,Im a newbie here,and dont have much experience in this area.So please
be gentle.Im trying to set-up a horse manure compost for heating
water[greenhouse].I have ti in a box [3 1/2feet wide x 7 feet long x8 inches
tall.The manure is pretty fresh,has wood shavings mixed in it[from a stable]From
what I've read on the internet it's gives of a lot of heat.I have a water hose
laid out in a serpetine & it has green grass shavings[damp]over that & brown
leaves [damp] on that,with a plastic tarp over it all.So far it's just sitting
there looking stupid.I stuck a temp. probe into manure & it was 10 degrees
colder than ambient temp..Please remember I'm as green at this as you can
get.Just wanting fertilizer & hot water.Does anyone have any suggestions on how
to get it cooking, or did I not do something rite.Thanks



------------------------------------

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Hi Rick,
The heat is generated by the decomposition process when bacteria
"eats" the manure.  I believe that there are several stages to the
process, only one of which actually creates significant heat.  Look
for a book called "Let It Rot".  It has great info on setting up a
compost pile and explains the process.  The water hose will probably
not conduct any heat very well though, copper tubing would be much
more efficient.  The manure will also need oxygen and water for the
bacteria to act so you'll have to keep it moist and turn it.
On Dec 17, 2009, at 1:30 PM, rick_secoy@... wrote:

> Hello All,Im a newbie here,and dont have much experience in this
> area.So please be gentle.Im trying to set-up a horse manure compost
> for heating water[greenhouse].I have ti in a box [3 1/2feet wide x 7
> feet long x8 inches tall.The manure is pretty fresh,has wood
> shavings mixed in it[from a stable]From what I've read on the
> internet it's gives of a lot of heat.I have a water hose laid out in
> a serpetine & it has green grass shavings[damp]over that & brown
> leaves [damp] on that,with a plastic tarp over it all.So far it's
> just sitting there looking stupid.I stuck a temp. probe into manure
> & it was 10 degrees colder than ambient temp..Please remember I'm as
> green at this as you can get.Just wanting fertilizer & hot
> water.Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get it cooking, or
> did I not do something rite.Thanks
>
>
>



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Hello All,Im a newbie here,and dont have much experience in this area.So please
be gentle.Im trying to set-up a horse manure compost for heating
water[greenhouse].I have ti in a box [3 1/2feet wide x 7 feet long x8 inches
tall.The manure is pretty fresh,has wood shavings mixed in it[from a stable]From
what I've read on the internet it's gives of a lot of heat.I have a water hose
laid out in a serpetine & it has green grass shavings[damp]over that & brown
leaves [damp] on that,with a plastic tarp over it all.So far it's just sitting
there looking stupid.I stuck a temp. probe into manure & it was 10 degrees
colder than ambient temp..Please remember I'm as green at this as you can
get.Just wanting fertilizer & hot water.Does anyone have any suggestions on how
to get it cooking, or did I not do something rite.Thanks

I'm presently looking for seeds for the giant pumpkins. We live in New Mexico
and I realize that they won't grow like the winners but still want to try some.
Due to our growing seasons and such. we have had good luck with pumpkins
before.  san

--- On Fri, 12/11/09, jagsoul <mcanoy2@...> wrote:


From: jagsoul <mcanoy2@...>
Subject: [seedsofchange] planting by moon phase
To: seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 12:47 PM


 



"garden porn". Where do I get seeds for that?











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"garden porn". Where do I get seeds for that?

dear miriam
in god we dwell and in his name we write these lines to you
sat nam
thank you for your email which we have gratefully received and ackowledged.

your'e welcome. anything that we can share for a fellow human being to help in
any way we try to do as much as we can.

by the way, what kind of shakes and smoothies are you making?

that is definitely a great way to start a compost.  we actually started our
compost the same way.

we have a green market at coconut grove and used to have a lady that used to
make great tropical shakes with:  papaya, mango, banana, strawberry, ginger,
blueberry, pineapple, fresh coconut juice as well.

we asked her to save us all of her leftovers and we used to put them in our
garden as compost.  she also had avacado pits and the outside shells since she
made fresh guacamole.  Her name is gloria and boy do we miss her.

she moved to tampa and has started her own little juice truck stand somewhere
and is happy where she is now.

we still have all of these tropical fruit trees growing in our garden from her
leftovers and just haven't had the heart to move any of them.  we just let them
grow wherever they sprouted.

we do have lots of pineapple plants started from the leftover tops that she also
gave us and we haven't yet decided what to do with them.  we are either going to
sell them in our green market or we will just let them grow little pineapples
and make wonderfull smoothies and shakes with them or just make wonderfull fruit
salads, our favorite.

good luck
god bless
sat nam
humbly yours,
guru jiwan singh khalsa

ps don't hesitate to ask us for any help you may need.  we will try to help in
any way that we can.

www.healthandhappinessinc.com  *down presently but will be up soon
www.myganoexcel.biz/drkhalsa  (world's first healthy coffee)

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: miriamproefrock
   To: seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 12:59 PM
   Subject: [seedsofchange] Re: Gardening in South Florida



   Thank you so much everyone for all the information. I'm going to digest it all
and then put it to use. Started a "compost pile" in the corner of my garden with
all the pulp left over from making green drinks and smoothies every day.
Hopefully it will do some good eventually. Thanks again. BTW,discovered what
purselane is in my backyard and will be using that as well for my smoothies but
have no idea what the rest of the weeds are and if they are edible as well.

   --- In seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com, "miriamproefrock" <miriamproefrock@...>
wrote:
   >
   > Was wondering if anyone can help me grow a garden in South Florida. The soil
is nothing but sand and everything I have tried to grow
(kale,collards,arugula)doesn't even come up. This is the growing season down
here but I have had absolutely no luck. A few herbs have done o.k. Also does
anyone know anything about wild edibles down here as well? Thanks
   >





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Thank you so much everyone for all the information. I'm going to digest it all
and then put it to use. Started a "compost pile" in the corner of my garden with
all the pulp left over from making green drinks and smoothies every day.
Hopefully it will do some good eventually. Thanks again. BTW,discovered what
purselane is in my backyard and will be using that as well for my smoothies but
have no idea what the rest of the weeds are and if they are edible as well.

--- In seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com, "miriamproefrock" <miriamproefrock@...>
wrote:
>
> Was wondering if anyone can help me grow a garden in South Florida. The soil
is nothing but sand and everything I have tried to grow
(kale,collards,arugula)doesn't even come up. This is the growing season down
here but I have had absolutely no luck. A few herbs have done o.k. Also does
anyone know anything about wild edibles down here as well? Thanks
>

dear miriam
in god we dwell
sat nam
we thought of something else that might help you.
if you ever get to the organic raw food market in coconut grove on margaret
street and grand ave. ask for Tim.

he has been growing organic very successfully with saltwater mixed in small
doses with his watering.

he swears by it and has grown some amazing bananas, star fruits, dragon fruit,
and lots of other really cool stuff.

he has a website.  His last name is Tye.  he also records his own music and
sings about his experiences with his organic raw food diet.

we haven't tried the saltwater treatment yet but will be doing so soon.

if you would like Tim's phone number please email us at:  scmkyt@...

he will be sure to help you
god bless you
peace to all, life to all, love to all
sat nam
humbly yours
guru jiwan singh khalsa


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: miriamproefrock
   To: seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 6:55 AM
   Subject: [seedsofchange] Gardening in South Florida



   Was wondering if anyone can help me grow a garden in South Florida. The soil
is nothing but sand and everything I have tried to grow
(kale,collards,arugula)doesn't even come up. This is the growing season down
here but I have had absolutely no luck. A few herbs have done o.k. Also does
anyone know anything about wild edibles down here as well? Thanks





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dear miriam,
in god we dwell and in his name we write these lines to you
sat nam
we have a very small garden space in miami.  we actually prepared our soil for
about a year and a half with compost using the lasagna method.  We used
everything for compost that we could get hold of:  seaweed(rinsed ) as much as
we could carry in black plastic trash bags and haul to our garden from hollywood
beach where we used to live, sticks, grass, leftover table scraps and we have
two rabbits doing a fine job caged directly over the compost pile.

this really helped alot and we have grown some papaya trees, a blossoming
avacado tree now almost ten feet, small mango trees, pineaples, organge trees. 
they all seem to be doing well except the papaya trees which we have been told
do not do well here in south florida because of the slate rock.  if the roots
can find a way around it and through it then they seem to do okay, if not they
just seem to do well for the first year or two then die.

we want to plant sugar cane, ginger and what ever else we can think of.  hope
this helps.

god bless you
good luck
sat nam
peace to all, life to all, love to all
humbly yours
guru jiwan singh khalsa
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: miriamproefrock
   To: seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 6:55 AM
   Subject: [seedsofchange] Gardening in South Florida



   Was wondering if anyone can help me grow a garden in South Florida. The soil
is nothing but sand and everything I have tried to grow
(kale,collards,arugula)doesn't even come up. This is the growing season down
here but I have had absolutely no luck. A few herbs have done o.k. Also does
anyone know anything about wild edibles down here as well? Thanks





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the plant parasitic nematodes will still get into raised beds unless you put a
plastic barrier.  Then being you can get 4 inches of rain in the afternoon in
FL, a plastic barrier will then become a pond liner.

Suzanne

PS commercial farmers in FL fumigate their soils with methyl bromide to kill the
bad plant parasitic nematodes.



-----Original Message-----
From: kuhlwolf <kuhlwolf@...>
To: seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Dec 6, 2009 8:20 pm
Subject: RE: [seedsofchange] Gardening in South Florida




Try a raised bed? If you did so, you could make
the soil perfect. Start the seeds in a flat and
plant seedlings?
Was the seed fresh? Was there adequate moisture?

Cheryl

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MontanaLiving/

From: seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of miriamproefrock
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 4:55 AM
To: seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [seedsofchange] Gardening in South
Florida

Was wondering if anyone can help me grow a garden
in South Florida. The soil is nothing but sand and
everything I have tried to grow
(kale,collards,arugula)doesn't even come up. This
is the growing season down here but I have had
absolutely no luck. A few herbs have done o.k.
Also does anyone know anything about wild edibles
down here as well? Thanks

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I grew up in south FL and have worked there all my adult life with commerical
growres. It's very hard to grow northern or crops that like some cool weather
there.  There are so many plant parasitic nematodes too, they take out your
tomatoes fast and then you can not grow them again in the same area.  It's best
to grow things like tomatoes in large containers, like 5 gallon buckets, in the
winter months. Also try some tropical fruit trees and things that are for the
tropical environment.

Suzanne
www.bugladyconsulting.com



-----Original Message-----
From: miriamproefrock <miriamproefrock@...>
To: seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Dec 5, 2009 6:55 am
Subject: [seedsofchange] Gardening in South Florida




Was wondering if anyone can help me grow a garden in South Florida. The soil is
nothing but sand and everything I have tried to grow
(kale,collards,arugula)doesn't even come up. This is the growing season down
here but I have had absolutely no luck. A few herbs have done o.k. Also does
anyone know anything about wild edibles down here as well? Thanks







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Try a raised bed? If you did so, you could make
the soil perfect.  Start the seeds in a flat and
plant seedlings?
Was the seed fresh? Was there adequate moisture?

Cheryl

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MontanaLiving/





From: seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of miriamproefrock
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 4:55 AM
To: seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [seedsofchange] Gardening in South
Florida





Was wondering if anyone can help me grow a garden
in South Florida. The soil is nothing but sand and
everything I have tried to grow
(kale,collards,arugula)doesn't even come up. This
is the growing season down here but I have had
absolutely no luck. A few herbs have done o.k.
Also does anyone know anything about wild edibles
down here as well? Thanks



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Was wondering if anyone can help me grow a garden in South Florida. The soil is
nothing but sand and everything I have tried to grow
(kale,collards,arugula)doesn't even come up. This is the growing season down
here but I have had absolutely no luck. A few herbs have done o.k. Also does
anyone know anything about wild edibles down here as well? Thanks

<< The lettuce and radishes are  great choices for something that the kids can
see a reward from quickly. In conjunction with science you might consider
putting bean seeds against the side of a clear container (like the bottom of an
old soft drink bottle) and watching them grow. Later the kids can plant the
seedlings in the garden.
Yeah. Any garden can be organic, as long as no artificial products are put into
it--or things that have been grown or treated with artificial products. Manure
is a great aid, but not if it is from animals that have been given anti-biotics
or sprayed forage. "Calorie content" and "Organic" are 2 badly misused terms. A
sheet of newspaper is organic and high calorie, buy not edible (for humans).

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From: "seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com" <seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com>
To: seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009 8:58:23 AM
Subject: [seedsofchange] Digest Number 3067, School Org. Garden



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1a.
Re: School organic garden
Posted by:      "Genevieve Creech" gcfoolthneed@...
Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:11 pm        (PST)


You do realize that any garden can be organic, right? It can be organic whether
it is a vegetable garden or not.

--- On Thu, 11/26/09, beam k <wanmadscientist@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: beam k <wanmadscientist@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [seedsofchange] Re: School organic garden
To: seedsofchange@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 9:27 AM



Thank you very much!!!

--- In seedsofchange@ yahoogroups. com, Richard Stewart <rstewart@.. .> wrote:
>
> Fast growing:
>
> Radishes and Mizuna lettuce. Super easy to care for and harvestable
> in less than month. They are fantastic plant types for an educational
> class project.
>
> Richard Stewart
> Carriage House Farm
> North Bend, Ohio
>
> An Ohio Century Farm Est. 1855
>
> (513) 967-1106
> http://www.carriage housefarmllc. com
> rstewart@...
>
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:40 PM, beam k wrote:
>
> > I go some info before, but now we are in the final stages. A bit of
> > background.
> >
> > I am a science teaacher in Georgia. I teach in a middle school about
> > 10~15 miles south of Atlanta. The environmental group and the
> > beautification groups are in the final stages of setting up a
> > vegetable garden or an organic garden. The are a few question i have.
> >
> > Is there a major difference between organic garden and a vegetable
> > garden?
> >
> > what would be 4~5 good items to begin with?
> >
> > When ould be a good time to start? ( i believe that question would
> > hing on the crop i plan to plant, but when would be a good time for
> > each?)
> >
> > A few teachers want something fast growing, hardy, and might not
> > need daily care?
> >
> > Is there any special provision we should take before starting?
> >
> > I would like to thank everyone for their help and assistance.
> >
> > Irv
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>

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Thank you, Judy.  It is nearly 10 in the evening here in northern Ohio, and
gravity is setting in now; time for bed.  We just had a late dinner, consisiting
of a huge salad, all organic, an organic three-bean soup, and an organic sweet
potato.  As a side, we had homade organic humas (garlic, avacado, jalapino and
onion).  I share all this because Four Season Harvesting and Eating to Live seem
to be an incredible marriage. 
 
 In just 6 weeks I have dropped 36 pounds and dropped my body fat from 34% to
22%.  My doctor is now becoming a believer after seein gmy cholestorol drop like
lead and seeing my total health exceed her goals for me.  She actually has
stopped trying to prescribe drugs to me.  Imagine that!
 
Out of love and compassion, I encourage all people, including you, to follow
your own path and enjoy a life of lierty in every way.  But if the body is not
holding up, I suggest checking into Furman's book, "Eat for Life". 
 
the Four Season harvesting system allows us to afford to eat this way,
especially once we get our sytem in place.  We have 75' x 3' rows wiht pvc
arches every 4 feet, and clear plastic to cover them.  I just received 200 nice
white sandbags to hold the plastic down.  Our seed order is mostly complete, and
we also have four rigid cloaches that cover another 48 feet by 3 feet.  It is
taking shape.  We intend to continue sharing with neighbors and charities in our
area.  I also teach school and share our organic fruits and veggies, and herbs
all the time.  The kids are a very important crop, and they really do take to
the healthy foods.  taco Bell is still a mainstay in their diets, but they are
aware of an alternative now.
 
Thank you to all who contribute here, thank you Judy, and thank you to Elliot
and Dr. Fruman.
 
I am going to get my order in for the Munitinia, mache, and a few others from
Jonny's Seeds. 
 
Now if I can get my folk songs to grow, everyone will know I am "out there". 
 
All those who wonder are not lost,
 
Rick




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--- In seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com, "mjwalsh_13" <mjwalsh_13@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All:
>
> Well it's almost December which here in Zone 5B means time for garden porn
arriving in the mail daily and thoughts of next years garden. I know this topic
has come up before, but i'm really interested in hearing about folks results
with moon base planting...i'm thinking it might be my "new try" for 2010 but
would appreciate any input the group may have. Thanks
>
> Mark
> Chicago, IL
> Zone 5b

>
RE: Alfalfa sprouts
>Good day:
>You can grow alfalfa sprouts in any container that is easy to clean and you can
handle. I've used everything from
"Tupper Ware" to large plastic storage boxes. You have to have a number of
needle size drain holes put(burned)into them for when you wash them. Best wash
them daily because yeast and fungi grow rapidly.If the holes are too big you
lose seeds down the holes. If you get the holes too big, try putting a piece of
clean cloth in the bottom until they sprout. The sprouts are a little more
nutritious and more attractive if they are allowed to "green" in subdued sun for
a couple of days.
>
>Michael
>Fayetteville, AR
>Zone 7a

At 07:47 AM 10/19/2009 -0700, JOEL G REITEN wrote the message quoted below:

Joel,

I have a few onions that I missed still in the garden and they are, of
course, growing again. So far, we've not had many nights below 32 degrees.
My question is:

If I leave 'em in the ground, will they overwinter and grow again in the
spring or should I just take what I've got now out of the ground and be
done with 'em?

I don't know what type of onions they are, I just got some onion sets from
my local feed/garden supply/hardware store here in zone 7. I'm sure they're
appropriate for my area as the store has been in business a long time.

In case it makes a difference, they're growing in a "raised bed."

Thanks.

   --
Happy Gardening & Birding,

Big Ray - Zone 7aVirginia

Dear Allan in WV
in god we dwell and in his name we write these lines to you
sat nam
thanks for your post about celestial planting.  We are so happy that you posted
this even though we were not aware of this it sure makes sense to us and we
would like to learn more about it.  please elaborate at length if you can as we
are facinated and want to learn all that we can about this.

Also you mentioned that you would be in our area of south florida sometime this
month and might be able to stop by to help us with our community garden.

We are thinking now more about starting an organic garden at our temple which
has lots of land all around it which will be much easier to gain access to and
permission to get a very productive garden going.  There is only grass with
trees here and there and it is not all flat but we would love to convert as much
of it as we can into an organic vegetable and fruit garden.

thanks again for all of your posts.
peace to all, life to all, love to all
all love in divine
sat nam
humbly yours
gurujiwan singh khalsa

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Allan Balliett
   To: seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:14 AM
   Subject: [seedsofchange] Re:Moon phase planting



   The biodynamic planting calendar for North America is called STELLA
   NATURA and is available from ACRES USA bookstore (if not at Seeds of
   Change) It is NOT a lunar planting calendar. It is a celestial
   planting calendar, taking account where all the mobile heavenly
   bodies are at a given moment in plant time. If you think celestial
   planting is foolish, just think about the major input to growing
   plants: sunlight, and where it comes from and how it gets here. We
   have no idea of what other "waves" besides light that plants are able
   to work with to manufacture who knows what for their health and well
   being

   -Allan in WV




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dear jaxan,
in god we dwell and in his name we write these lines to you
sat nam
thanks for your post about the onions
we have some organic ginger that has sprouted and we would like to grow.  do we
need to plant the whole root piece or can we just cut off the fingers that have
sprouted?
can we plant them now or should we wait until spring?
we are in south florida.
thanks
peace to all, life to all, love to all
god bless you
sat nam
humbly yours
guru jiwan singh khalsa
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Jaxan Christensen
   To: seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 12:28 PM
   Subject: Re: [seedsofchange] Sprouting onions again


     I never thought of replanting them. I like that idea, thanks!!

   ________________________________
   From: Sandie Goldstein <sandiejg@...>
   To: seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 8:19:46 AM
   Subject: RE: [seedsofchange] Sprouting onions again


   Onion always sprout around this time, it's their growing season. Just
   replant...then you will have two. Storing them is always a problem when you
   have moisture, you could dehydrate them. And that is the long and short of
   onions..I'm sure you did it fine, it's just the nature of onions. You can
   also do this with onions. Just cut off the growing bottom root end. And
   throw that in your ground and it will regrow an onion. Happy Onions...

   From: seedsofchange@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:seedsofchange@ yahoogroups. com]
   On Behalf Of Jaxan Christensen
   Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 4:14 PM
   To: Seeds of Change
   Subject: [seedsofchange] Sprouting onions again

   I posted a simple question about a problem I am having with my onions
   sprouting. I got ONE reply that was only a question about what variety on
   onions I planted, which I answered. NO other comments, except someone posted
   something about swine flu, whatever....

   Isn't this supposed to be somewhere to get help with gardening questions.
   Heck, there was an endless whining commentary about some kind of garden tool
   replacement, but, I can't get a little info about my onions. Did I not dry
   them long enough, might they be stored inappropriately, too hot, too cold?
   Do they require air circulation or not? Geeese, a little help here........

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dear ray,
in god we dwell and in his name we write these lines to you
sat nam
thanks for your post re the farmers market that you sell your produce at.

could you elaborate on this experience?  we would like to know as much about it
as possible as we have a  gourmet green market that we operate in coconut grove
here in south florida and we want to be able to have a constant supply of 
organic produce to sell there, so that we do not have to depend on others. 
there seems to be a shortage of local organic produce available through small
businesses.  we also want to compete with the big guys like wholefoods.  there
is an organic grower who has a farmers market just down the street from us, stan
glacier who has been running an organic vegan raw food bar and market for 30
years and he is very successful.  we used to work with him but it became
complicated so we decided to do our own.  He has his own organic farm but also
brings in a lot of organic produce from california as well.

we are located in a very nice area called the shops at mayfair on grand avenue
and have 8 or 9 spaces to fill up.  we want to include organic vegetarian and
non organic vetetarian prepared foods, fresh tropical jucies and shakes,
(especially fresh sugar cane juice), produce, and green and organic services and
products like cleaning products, natural pest control, and whatever else fits.

our grand reopening is set for next saturday so we are looking forward to a
great season.

how much land do you grow your produce on?
we noticed from your post that you grow tomatoes, garlic and saffron which
sounds like an intersting combination.
do you find that these crops sell better than others?
thanks for any information that you can share with us.
we used to live in espanola for about ten years but never did any gardening
there.  we want to expand our green market locations here in florida since there
is only one other person that has a monopoly doing this and we want to offer her
some competition.  it is an inexpensive and cost effective way for us to also 
market our yoga classes and natural healing therapies.

god bless you and family
peace to all, life to all, love to all
sat nam
humbly yours
guru jiwan singh and sadhana kaur khalsa
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: kdanalans
   To: seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:32 PM
   Subject: [seedsofchange] Re: over & over


     Hi Ray:

   Your market note is interesting. Our markets in Memphis are pricy, about
$20.00 per visit. If you have time and think it is appropriate for this forum I
would be interested in some details of your market experience.

   Thanks,

   Ken

   --- In seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com, ray fudge <fudgeray@...> wrote:
   >
   > My season is over now, it's 26F out right now. Ran the wood stove all night
so it's a nice 68F inside.
   > At least I got all my garlic planted, 29 varieties this year. I received 7
varieties from USDA to go with the ones I acquired locally & those I brought
from Colorado.
   > My saffron has been blooming nicely for 2 weeks, I think it's done now, too.
   > Gonna have to cut back a little on tomatos, or dig up more ground. Grew 42
varieties this season, want to grow 50 next year. I try to have at least 2
plants of each. The farmers mkt in Truth or Consequences (in Ralph Edwards City
Park) is a handy outlet for me. And.... they only charge $5 per week flat rate.
Next year I plan to sell my extra starts at the market.
   > RayF in southern NM
   >
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Sheri & Allan:

Thanks for your input-it certainly makes sense and like I said i'm gonna try
that for next year.  Thanks again

Mark

--- In seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com, Allan Balliett <aballiett@...> wrote:
>
> The biodynamic planting calendar for North America is called STELLA
> NATURA and is available from ACRES USA bookstore (if not at Seeds of
> Change) It is NOT a lunar planting calendar. It is a celestial
> planting calendar, taking account where all the mobile heavenly
> bodies are at a given moment in plant time. If you think celestial
> planting is foolish, just think about the major input to growing
> plants: sunlight, and where it comes from and how it gets here. We
> have no idea of what other "waves" besides light that plants are able
> to work with to manufacture who knows what for their health and well
> being
>
> -Allan in WV
>

Hi Rick-

I've decided to try to overwinter beets and carrots this year-  I've  read
to mulch heavily (I put on mowed grass/leaves to @ 3 inches) then put @ 1
foot of hay on top.  I marked where the veges are w/ tall bamboo sticks in
case it snows deep.  I hope to try lettuces & spinach late in the year  next
year, and put a low hoop w/ straw around it (and on top for real cold
spells).

I hope to get a root cellar dug to store things in winter, then plant very
early & late, & hoop & mulch as much as I can so that there's  only 2-3
months of nothing growing..

I, too, believe it makes great sense to try to year-round garden.  I'm
hoping it doesn't become a necessity!!!

Judy- in NE PA


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