has anyone successfully run Self 4.x on an ARM architecture? -- Jeremiah S. Junken...
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Chris Double
doublecnz
Dec 6, 2011 2:32 am
... There is no ARM compiler backend and Self does not have an interpreter so it'd be a fair amount of effort to get it working. -- ...
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ungar@...
davidungar
Dec 6, 2011 3:21 am
Yup. It would take a really clever guy! - David...
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Gordon Cichon
gordoncichon
Dec 6, 2011 9:30 am
Hi guys, is there a possibility to obtain any funding for this project? Maybe setting it up as a research project? Thanks, Gordon...
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Russell Allen
russell.allen23
Dec 6, 2011 10:56 am
A prerequisite to finding funding is finding someone who is qualified and willing to work on the VM. If you know of anyone I'd be interested in talking to...
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Gordon Cichon
gordoncichon
Dec 6, 2011 11:27 am
I'd be willing to do it. My name is Gordon, and I started the first x86 port of the Self VM. (before that, Self was considered a Sparc-only system). I've also...
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Thorsten Dittmar
dittmar.thor...
Dec 6, 2011 11:37 am
hello Gordon, means you are looking for somebody who will finance this stuff? If so… - how many money you would need? - will it be just an ARM port or will...
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Thorsten Dittmar
dittmar.thor...
Dec 8, 2011 5:30 pm
Hello folks, I had a short private discussion with Gordon about that topic. Specially about the topic if it makes sense to port self as it is to ARM or if it...
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David Ungar
ungar@...
Dec 8, 2011 5:34 pm
I could help in group 2. - David (from iPad, typos likely) ... I could help in group 2. - David (from iPad, typos likely) On Dec 8, 2011, at 9:30 AM, Thorsten...
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Thorsten Dittmar
dittmar.thor...
Dec 8, 2011 5:48 pm
Thx David, thats really good news. just to make one point crystal clear: Self is unfortunately only a hobby for me, not a business. If I would like to spend an...
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Jim Wise
jwise@...
Dec 8, 2011 7:44 pm
... I'd be willing to help in group 2. Don't have time for group 3 or money for group 1, though. -- Jim Wise jwise@......
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David Ungar
ungar@...
Dec 8, 2011 9:46 pm
Of course I will donate my time, but cannot spare too much. I have a great day job! -- David (tapped out on my iPhone; blame it for any typoze;-) ... Of course...
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Russell Allen
russell.allen23
Dec 9, 2011 5:31 am
Hi Thorsten, I have been looking at setting up a Self VM project with some seed money as well, on similar lines (ie limited money, hobby, no Dita von Teese) My...
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David Ungar
ungar@...
Dec 9, 2011 5:16 pm
Yes, I agree. Klein is experimental. If you want real Self, port the real VM. Great to hear about your interest! - David (from iPad, typos likely) ... Yes, I...
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baltasarq
Dec 9, 2011 6:00 pm
Hi, there ! ... The Self VM is great in the sense that it works through a JITter. However, this great thing is also its main weak point: it is difficult to...
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Thorsten Dittmar
dittmar.thor...
Dec 9, 2011 6:10 pm
Hello David, Hello Russel, when I got you right the first step would be to clean up the vm before we will port it, or? @david: I'm not sure, if I got you...
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Jan-Paul Bultmann
janpaulbultm...
Dec 9, 2011 8:37 pm
Maybe we could do a general prototype centric vm collaboration, we currently build one for Io, and as the languages are pretty close to each other, it would be...
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Jecel Assumpcao Jr.
jeceljr
Dec 9, 2011 9:50 pm
I worked on Self for ARM back in 1993 and 1994. It was my own implementation rather than a port and back then ARM had a 26 bit PC rather than a 32 bit one,...
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Michael Latta
michaellatta
Dec 9, 2011 9:59 pm
Another option worth thinking about is the use of LLVM for the low level code generation potions of a Self VM. This would gain multi-platorm support and a...
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ungar@...
davidungar
Dec 10, 2011 2:59 am
Feel free to explore any and all approaches. Few languages are both as dynamic and Self and have grown up (i.e., had all the libraries written) with the...
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Russell Allen
russell.allen23
Dec 10, 2011 9:51 am
Your point about needing a story is valid, I think. A VM is not an end in itself but a mechanism. But that is why I usually end up back at the thought that the...
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jameskjxnoble
Dec 10, 2011 10:45 am
Hi all I probably don't fit in to any of the groups - and I have my own "Post-Self" language now. But sometimes (actually for NZ, right around now) I have more...
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baltasarq
Dec 10, 2011 4:28 pm
Hi, there! ... In case of creating another VM from scratch, I'd explore the possibility of using Parrot: http://parrot.org/ It is a VM specially designed for...
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David Ungar
ungar@...
Dec 10, 2011 4:33 pm
Does it support debugging and dynamic deiotimization? - David (from iPad, typos likely)...
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Baltasar GarcÃa P...
baltasarq
Dec 10, 2011 6:22 pm
... I'm not an expert on Parrot. I suspect the answer is yes for the first question, while to the second one... what is dynamic deiotimization? This is the...
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Mario
mwolczko2
Dec 10, 2011 7:26 pm
At the risk of further confusing the issue, another possibility would be to build a Self front end and runtime support for the Maxine VM. Maxine is now getting...
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Michael Latta
michaellatta
Dec 10, 2011 8:44 pm
It might be good to first define the goals (requirements) for the effort to better judge various approaches. This is where the money people need to speak up....
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Jecel Assumpcao Jr.
jeceljr
Dec 10, 2011 9:00 pm
Baltasar, imagine that you give me a 10 line function in C and ask me to translate it into Lisp. If you demand that my version keep track of the intermediate...
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Michael Latta
michaellatta
Dec 10, 2011 9:36 pm
Good point. Another is exception handling itself. It is hard to debug when stack frames are unwound by exceptions. But, if the semantic is to add a stack frame...
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Thorsten Dittmar
dittmar.thor...
Dec 12, 2011 8:59 am
Hello, so what are my requirements… of course only my personal view: I'm not interested in: - bringing self on another platform as it is. for me that makes...
