Reading some things about SOA recently and speaking with clients I'm
getting a consistent feedback that T-SOA is being seen as a failure
and that companies are looking more and more at a B-SOA approach as
being the right way and driving change through structural,
organisational and governance with technology being part of the story.
Now clearly I'm HUGELY biased because its what I've been campaigning
for years, but are others seeing this as well?
Reading some things about SOA recently and speaking with clients I'm getting a consistent feedback that T-SOA is being seen as a failure and that companies are...
200% - Michael ________________________________ From: Steve Jones <jones.steveg@...> To: service-orientated-architecture@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday,...
... T-SOA and B-SOA? Chromosomes in the SOA world? Or car models gone SO? Alex -- ... Project Wrangler, SOA, Information Alchemist, UX, RESTafarian, Topic Maps...
B-SOA (without T-SOA) == BS-OAjust as much as T-SOA without B-SOA == BS-OA In other words, a free floating set of new biz concepts (B-SOA) without some new...
... At this point, I can only say BS = bullshit. Can someone *please* expand the acronyms so that us mere mortals can get a whiff of what this is all about? ...
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Alexander Johannesen < ... some ... concepts ... different ... Alex, you've got it. I'm calling Bullsh*t on Business-SOA,...
I have to say I completely disagree, from my definition of T-SOA (Web Services/BPEL/vendors/etc). Changing the way you think about systems is the most...
I'm a bit confused too. Is it possible to imagine a T-SOA project that has a sound (realizable) business case? Or is any SOA project with a sound business case...
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Ashley at Metamaxim < ... A sound SOA initiative will have BOTH a sound business case and a sound technology architecture....
It depends what you mean. T-SOA for me is something pushed by vendors and those with vested interest in the vendors. It is the thing that says that XML is...
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Steve Jones <jones.steveg@...> ... My original comment was: "In other words, a free floating set of new biz concepts...
... Nope. What I'm saying now, and saying then, and saying in between is that T-SOA is not a requirement for successful delivery of a Business driven SOA...
... Well, since you are providing no linkage between business driven SOA and technological realization (whether WS-* or anything else), it is coming across as...
Hey? I think I've provided quite a bit.... lets see * I've written about the method and even contributed it into OASIS (so its IP free) * Defined the...
... Given that Gartner has provided all of the above (with the possible exception of how to use UML -- haven't needed it) to its clients and still seen...
The topics you've mentioned isn't because of B-SOA. If the end interface is application specific, it probably because the person who designed an interface...
First a general point. I write to this list as a private individual so will not point to specific company references that I have done with my employer. ... ...
Ok, I'll write a simple summary of what's I'm doing in my diary page. Before then, a simple summary. The gist is to create a BA modeling guidelines based on IT...
A corollary: Technical people without a broad understanding of the business should not be writing modeling guidelines. :-) The challenge in creating such...
Yes, if the guideline is going to include more than the IT constraint, it should be written by somebody with a broad understanding of business. (I read Porter...
Good point, but that's better presented as a "people and organizational" constraint than an "IT" constraint. The IT group isn't the only group that may have...
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