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This post should generate a bit of discussion:

http://apsblog.burtongroup.com/2009/01/soa-is-dead-long-live-services.html

Anne



Mon Jan 5, 2009 9:11 pm

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This post should generate a bit of discussion: http://apsblog.burtongroup.com/2009/01/soa-is-dead-long-live-services.html Anne...
Anne Thomas Manes
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Jan 6, 2009
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crisis ! ! S O ...V....AAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaa, "NOBODY IS PERFECT" SERVICE ORIENTATION ! - Michael ________________________________ From: Anne Thomas Manes...
Michael Poulin
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Jan 6, 2009
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... Finally, something concrete and beneficially analytical to talk about... Gregg Wonderly...
Gregg Wonderly
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Jan 6, 2009
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... Agree on the sentiments behind "SOA is dead". Disagree on the "long live services". It is service-orientation, as conventionally understood, that got us...
Nick Gall
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Jan 6, 2009
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... live services". ... into the fragmentation ... Nick -- What do you mean by "entity-specific (service) methods" ? Do you mean a service that is equated with...
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On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Ashley at Metamaxim < ... I mean overly specific methods like debit_checking_account vs debit_savings_account vs...
Nick Gall
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Jan 7, 2009
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... Thanks. This seems to me to be a fairly elementary modelling error. If people cannot abstract properly, they will make a mess. Rgds Ashley...
Ashley at Metamaxim
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Jan 7, 2009
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... Businesses are service oriented, businesses deliver services. ... Would you really say that Google, Amazon and SFDC are "spectacular gains" in terms of...
Steve Jones
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Jan 8, 2009
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... True. But not necessarily in a sense that corresponds to SOA "services". Consider a "full service" Hospital. It can be regarded as providing the following...
Ashley at Metamaxim
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Jan 8, 2009
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... Well my trite answer is "b(u)y my book". My longer one is that for me these have _always_ been what I've seen as the services and the job of IT is to...
Steve Jones
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Jan 8, 2009
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... Good! It is, though, interesting to note that if you take the view that IT should be aligned to these "business services" it may work against ...
Ashley at Metamaxim
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... The UKs NHS IT programme attempted to centralise patient records and its going "oh so well". Its (IMO) a good example of where IT tries to work against...
Steve Jones
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... these have _always_ been what ... appropriate to that service. Well, I took your advice and read your book. It has lots of good stuff, and I agree that...
Ashley at Metamaxim
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... From experience you don't want to start there as you need something for the "Why" to be attached to. In terms of how long it should take. If you have a...
Steve Jones
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Jan 11, 2009
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... Yes, I think I do have a different WHY. Here is a list (not exhaustive or mutually exclusive) of business aims whose realisation may entail an SOA effort...
Ashley at Metamaxim
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Jan 12, 2009
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... Whether or not there is a gap depends, I would think, on what level of architecture one is referring to. At the BA level, does not business service equate...
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... services.html ... live ... that got ... methods. ... post does ... portfolio. ... disruptive ... architecture of ... gains" we ... have in ... community, ...
bushra nazir
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Jan 8, 2009
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From the blog: "'SOA' has become a bad word. It must be removed from our vocabulary." Amen to that. But I hope we don't just jump on the next TLA with the same...
Rob Eamon
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... Oh, you mean "Cloud Computing"? Regards, - Anil...
Anil John
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Jan 7, 2009
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Dang, you're right. We're already on the next set of hyped acronyms and phrases. Thanks for the chuckle! -Rob...
Rob Eamon
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Jan 7, 2009
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While you were all out of the room, Miko, Ron and I decided that SOA shall be known as "The Architecture formerly known as SOA". Credit goes to Miko primarily,...
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Jan 7, 2009
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I prefer "Architecture until recently known as SOA". See image - http://moon.felk.cvut.cz/~pisem1/blog/KnightsWhoSayNi.jpg :) Dave   _____   From: JP...
David Chappell
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Jan 7, 2009
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I prefer marklar. How about "Architectural style previously known as SOA" ... -Rob ... http://moon.felk.cvut.cz/~pisem1/blog/KnightsWhoSayNi.jpg :) ... ...
Rob Eamon
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Jan 7, 2009
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Every now and then its kind of hard to tell, but SOA's still and alive and well http://blogs.oracle.com/davidchappell/ Dave   _____   From: JP Morgenthal...
David Chappell
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Jan 8, 2009
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My colleagues at InfoQ have put up a summary: http://www.infoq.com/news/2009/01/is-soa-dead Stefan...
Stefan Tilkov
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Jan 8, 2009
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It's certainly one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it is that it's alive and well in 2009. I think as an all-singing all-dancing transcendental...
mikomatsumura
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Jan 6, 2009
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BTW Based on my travel schedule over the past several months, which has been about 90% of my time going to meet with customers who are actively engaged in...
David Chappell
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Jan 7, 2009
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To me the message sounds more like "Big SOA" is dead - i.e. those high-priced SOA software packages complete with huge services contracts that some vendors...
Eric Newcomer
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Jan 7, 2009
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Read my post again Eric. I explicitly berated teams for focusing on silly technical debates. It's not a question of big or little SOA or SOAP vs REST. My point...
Anne Thomas Manes
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