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Three things, amongst a million others, have emerged from discussions
over the years on this Group:

(1) Web Services are not identical to SOA;

(2) Many people with decades of technical experience do not think that
WS are up to the job of providing the means to build robust, adaptable
and scalable SOA structures that will stand a reasonable test of time;

(3) Most of the AppServer/middleware/EAI vendors who have transitioned
to being allegedly primarily SOA vendors seem to be basing their
offerings at least in significant part on conformance with WS standards.

Bearing in mind (1) and (2), what would you suggest that the vendors
offer as an alternative to (3)? If you think the people who believe
(2) are mistaken, how confident are you that WS will provide a
satisfactory foundation for SOA-based development over, say, the next
6 years (allowing for orderly evolution of WS standards)?

Gervas






Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:03 pm

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Three things, amongst a million others, have emerged from discussions over the years on this Group: (1) Web Services are not identical to SOA; (2) Many people...
Gervas Douglas
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Nov 23, 2006
5:32 pm

Trouble is that 2 isn't a universal, so I'd say that WS-* can certainly build robust, scalable, adaptable service architecture. I'm very very confident that...
Steve Jones
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Nov 24, 2006
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<SteveJones> The problem isn't the technical standards IMO, its the modelling of the business and what a service should _be_ that is the biggest challenge to ...
Anil John
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Nov 24, 2006
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I agree with the notion that business is more important than IT, and many, many IT folks should work to learn a lot more about the actual business value and...
Stefan Tilkov
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Nov 24, 2006
6:29 pm

... Just FYI, but Nelson left Google earlier this year. Mark....
Mark Baker
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Nov 24, 2006
9:29 pm

... And neither of them can hold a candle to Eiffel as a decent programming _language_ IMO. Java is a poor language from a syntax and readability perspective...
Steve Jones
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Nov 25, 2006
7:17 pm

What you're telling me is that *all* of your reasons are non- technical. If so, I agree that without a doubt WS-* is the "safe" option. If I am consulting for...
Stefan Tilkov
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Nov 26, 2006
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There is a bit of technology in there in the reason (I wouldn't recommend using Dutch as an encoding and shipping messages using cheese for instance) but...
Steve Jones
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Nov 26, 2006
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Its taken 14 years for "people with decades of technical experience" to trust HTTP. And many of them still don't. I think perhaps we are gummed up in the...
Paul Fremantle
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Nov 24, 2006
7:23 pm

This thread I opened has triggered a major campaign in the REST vs. WS wars that rage across this Group sporadically. This time I feel that we are seeing some...
Gervas Douglas
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Dec 12, 2006
1:19 pm

... There was a war in 2003?! By 1998 I was rushing away from CORBA towards RMI & Java (with the help of DanC). ... And the standards girls, and the goverment...
Steve Jones
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Dec 12, 2006
1:53 pm

... I've created a monster! ;) ... +1 The big boys support it? That of course implies that what they are supporting is of quality and worth paying attention...
Dan Creswell
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Dec 12, 2006
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On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 13:29, Steve Jones wrote: [lots of other stuff] ... Absolutely! -- Andrew S. Townley <ast@...> http://atownley.org...
Andrew S. Townley
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Dec 13, 2006
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... I think there will be a variety of approaches, mainly because, in my observation most large companies are adopting SOA in an "inward looking" fashion....
Stuart Charlton
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Dec 12, 2006
3:24 pm

... I'll bite. You can never make a statement like that about CORBA, or any other technology for that matter, without also specifying the market of which you...
Steve Vinoski
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Dec 14, 2006
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