... If the functionality provided by the applications is wrapped in one or more services, the two become synonymous. In many cases, this is the best practice....
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Patrick May
patrick_john...
Jul 1, 2008 9:33 am
... That is not the case. I've personally designed and implemented systems that wrapped existing applications and other components that had a wide variety of...
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Michael Poulin
m3poulin
Jul 1, 2008 9:34 am
Ann, it looks like we have agreement on 99.99% of the points and discrepancies are here because of my manner of expressing things. ... I said "one and only...
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htshozawa
Jul 1, 2008 11:31 am
+1. The next step probably would be to convince people that ESB or MCI (for Anne :) ) can be used to relate IT service(s) with Business service (s). H.Ozawa...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Jul 1, 2008 12:11 pm
<< This is Stefan Tilkov at QCon 2008, and I am interviewing Mark Little. Welcome Mark! Can you tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do? I am a...
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Michael Poulin
m3poulin
Jul 1, 2008 2:43 pm
+1. Michael ... From: htshozawa <htshozawa@...> To: service-orientated-architecture@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 12:09:45 PM Subject:...
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htshozawa
Jul 1, 2008 2:44 pm
... +1. I have to say this is part because some research firms compares an open source software with commercial software and tells them they are missing some...
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Michael Poulin
m3poulin
Jul 1, 2008 2:46 pm
... Well, if one cares about theoretical abstractions only, it it does not matter, indeed. However, if one wants to build corresponding governance, management,...
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Anne Thomas Manes
annemanes
Jul 1, 2008 2:46 pm
Michael, ... From my perspective, you do not want to limit the amount of descriptive information that a provider might make available about a service. I...
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Rob Eamon
reamon943
Jul 1, 2008 3:21 pm
... A flat file interface is a perfectly acceptable service interface, no? -Rob...
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Rob Eamon
reamon943
Jul 1, 2008 3:54 pm
... You seem to have started a trend of dimissing my arguments as theoretical points. Hmmm, guess I'll have to keep an eye on that. ;-) At some level of...
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JP Morgenthal
jp_morgenthal
Jul 1, 2008 3:54 pm
Rob, A flat file interface is a perfectly acceptable service interface, however, using that definition, what separates a protocol from a service interface? JP...
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Rob Eamon
reamon943
Jul 1, 2008 4:19 pm
... Hmm. I wasn't aware that protocol needs to be separated from service interface. Isn't protocol *part* of the interface? I guess we should be more precise...
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Karandikar,Amit
amitdk2015
Jul 1, 2008 7:10 pm
The protocol should be part of the technical contract of a service, kind of like what the WSDL is today for web services. The formal contract for the service...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Jul 1, 2008 10:03 pm
<<Burton Group analysts spent the first few months of the year looking into SOA implementations and what they found was a landscape devastated by petty...
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Todd Biske
tbiske
Jul 1, 2008 10:05 pm
... I agree with you Rob. I don't think an integration requires having a third party involved, that's just one technique. -tb Todd Biske ...
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htshozawa
Jul 1, 2008 10:05 pm
This bring up a good point. There are two kinds of contracts - a technical contract and business contract. As you stated, protocol is part of a technical...
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Michael Poulin
m3poulin
Jul 2, 2008 8:24 am
... Rob, you are firing into "milk" - did I say a word "application" or "implementation"? I was talking about everything around application. All these...
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Michael Poulin
m3poulin
Jul 2, 2008 8:24 am
Am I right, dear H.Ozawa, that you do not mean Service Contract document? - Michael ... From: htshozawa <htshozawa@...> To:...
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Michael Poulin
m3poulin
Jul 2, 2008 8:24 am
Certainly, it is not about amount of info, it's about understanding what is written over there - ontology and semantics. Did you mean something else talking...
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Steve Jones
jones.steveg
Jul 2, 2008 8:24 am
I actually thought that this was the spaghetti definition of integration, multiple systems all connecting directly giving and n^n complexity. Its certainly...
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Michael Poulin
m3poulin
Jul 2, 2008 9:33 am
When systems cannot interact with each other but we need them doing this, we use integration. Thus, are the interaction and integration the same things? When I...
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htshozawa
Jul 2, 2008 10:20 am
Interesting article. Just curious Anne, who decided is the project was a success or a failure and what was the timeframe when the deciding data was measured? ...
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htshozawa
Jul 2, 2008 10:55 am
My dear Michael, that depends on what you imply by Service Contract document. Taking Miko's pizza example, an user orders a pizza. She probably doesn't care...
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Todd Biske
tbiske
Jul 2, 2008 4:15 pm
First, I personally think the whole m^n complexity thing is a bit of FUD. Yes, you can create a big, ugly spaghetti bowl and many have. It remains true,...
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Gregg Wonderly
w5ggw
Jul 2, 2008 4:16 pm
... A grid is never overkill! It is THE singular programming model that allows for infinite expansion and scalability. It also is the most plugable...
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Gregg Wonderly
w5ggw
Jul 2, 2008 4:16 pm
... I'd say it the other way... Buying and using business market platforms are keeping you from using all the flexible and empowering open source software. ...
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Gregg Wonderly
w5ggw
Jul 2, 2008 4:17 pm
... I don't think that the issue is anything more complex than a standard API. If there is a pluggable stack mechanism wrapped with an interface...
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Gregg Wonderly
w5ggw
Jul 2, 2008 4:17 pm
... I.e.; A system that has a particular style of interaction doesn't change in its effectiveness if you just change how the interaction is transported across...
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Gregg Wonderly
w5ggw
Jul 2, 2008 4:18 pm
... Grid Computing is a concept and architecture thing, not an implementation thing. Notifications and instrumentation is always a good thing to have. It...
