IBM, who as we all know are making a serious and constructive effort to get all you developers on board are offering something of interest to SOAP developers....
We have worked on a number of interoperable service-based specifications before Service-Oriented-Architecture became popular. The particular vertical domain...
It is better to see Web Services not as a technical solution alone, but as a business solution. Web Services' promise stands not because of how it compares...
... What does Web Services uniquely bring to the table for any of these points? What is it doing to provide true interoperability between vendor products and...
As much as I hate to agree with Gartner, I am fully in their corner when it comes to ESB. Products that offer the set of features that they have outlined...
I look at WS in a different light than I think you do. I do not see WS as a precursor to SOA, but rather a complimentary technology to SOA. The pre-WS...
Going inline for clarity ... ... <MKA> In terms of technology, you may find a repetition in WS; but in terms of business, it solves a long standing problem. If...
I do not see WS a precursor to SOA. My argument is that SOA has been around a long time. The standards we built about 5 years ago are precisely SOA. They...
You are absolutely correct about keep doing what you are doing. If you are already getting the benefits of an SOA then WS should fit into this naturally when...
I would like to chime in on one particular point of discussion, but I am not going inline to preserve sanity. In regard to WS and security I am going to try...
So if you say the same can be done through CORBA, I can't disagree technically. But at what cost? It is not a question of whether it can't be done, but if it...
My responses are also inline. ... I guess I don't understand. WS needs an implementation as does CORBA. Perhaps you are arguing that one is "lighter weight"...
... But isn't this achieved in a CORBA style - expose an XML type interface, have a client invoke and then have the marshalling convert the message into an...
... Try doing it? It's been done. This is a simple exercise in passing content which is digitally signed - this can be done with *any* remote transport. ... ...
The great Preston Galla has discovered SOA and its relationship to WS in a recent article, an extract of which reads: <What SOA is <SOA is an increasingly...
Why do you say that WS is less costly? <MKA> Because business cost measured in dollars turn out to be lower to implement WS -- business is not anti-CORBA or...
I have just uploaded a paper for an SOA vendor called IntaMission which developers and architects might find of interest. You can find it in Commercial Corner...
See below. ... How do we measure the cost? ... Absolutely. This is exactly how we are doing our implementation of a SOA. We expose no databases to the web...
Interesting interview of an IBM man on SOAP for CICS (what would someone outside the industry make of a product name like that?). To quote: <Why did IBM see a...
Where do these numbers and ideas come from? <MKA> Some from HBR, some from Forrester and some from Stencil research papers. They cost a lot ($800 for couple of...
This whole argument of CORBA vs WS seems like an exercise in fuetility. The reality is that today is the day of WS and not CORBA. SOA technology that is...
http://www.cio.com/research/current/services/index.html Take care. Kaleem. "People are more important than TV." -- my Theory of Everything. ... Do you Yahoo!? ...
The reason why I think CORBA does not act the same as a mediating SOA using WS is that, who is the mediator in CORBA? the ORB? the IIOP transport? or is the...
I agree, of course, with your characterization of a three-tier application by only exposing services and not the data tier. But, I would argue that within the...
I understand the hype, but if they are doing business apps and not dealing with XML or SOAP, then it really doesn't matter that they use SOAP. What matters...
This seems to show a complete lack of understanding how these systems are built. What is your definition of a mediator. I can show the precise analog of...
... This has nothing to do with WS vs CORBA or different SOA implementations. You are describing a particular way you believe applications should work. A...
... Mediation is nothing but an architectural pattern and can be realised in many fashions even in the CORBA world (and elsewhere) without putting it in the...
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