How viable is JBI? There seem to be some *ok* ideas but I don't see it as a great solution. ... ...
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daemon9_1313
Jul 1, 2005 12:11 pm
I agree that EDA can exist independently of SOA but I don't see EDA as an architecture but more as aspect(s). ... option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=39...
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Janne J. Korhonen
jjkorhonen
Jul 2, 2005 1:42 pm
Daemon, What do you mean by seeing EDA more as an aspect than as an architecture? To my mind, it is a distinct way to organize a system, it has clearly defined...
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daemon9_1313
Jul 4, 2005 10:45 am
JJK - Only in some extreme cases would I see EDA as completely covering the system. But note that I said aspect(s) not just aspect recognizing that the...
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Daniel Feygin
daniel_feygin
Jul 4, 2005 10:46 am
Joanne, Events are communicated by messages. Context-independence is freedom from concerns surrounding the event's source, a.k.a. autonomy in agent lingo. ...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Jul 4, 2005 11:27 am
Here is more on Celtix, Sun et al.: <<Just a few days earlier, the ObjectWeb Consortium had announced a similar open source ESB project called Celtix sponsored...
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Ali Arsanjani
a_arsanjani
Jul 5, 2005 1:11 pm
SOA, to me, is about being able to externalize interfaces and policies and effect invocations over open standards. One of the important contributions of SOA is...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Jul 5, 2005 2:23 pm
Further comment: <<Ross Mason, a senior developer and member of the Mule project team told ComputerWire: "Personally, I'd like to see us unite further and ...
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Anne Thomas Manes
annemanes
Jul 6, 2005 2:32 pm
A question for the debate: Can you design an event-driven system without using the notion of services? Shouldn't the things that process events be services? If...
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Janne J. Korhonen
jjkorhonen
Jul 6, 2005 2:34 pm
I tried to make the point that the type of service invocation is not a distinctive factor. In fact, services in SOA should be based on event-triggering...
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Ron Schmelzer
rschmelzer
Jul 6, 2005 2:54 pm
Yikes. SOA does NOT mandate request/reply style of invocation. That's Gartner speak. Users can invoke Services in an SOA using events just as appropriately as...
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Gregg Wonderly
w5ggw
Jul 7, 2005 1:57 am
... I'd suggest that one of the issues of SOA is to create an optimal architecture for your application. In some cases, open protocols don't add any value....
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Amit Gupta
am_gupta
Jul 7, 2005 10:16 am
Ron, I completely agree with you. I think there is a need to differentiate between a Service and "Service Invocation". I look at a Service as a "fundamental...
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Gregg Wonderly
w5ggw
Jul 7, 2005 10:19 am
... In an asynchronous message model such as suggested by the Linda programming model, everyone is a client, except the linda space. In this model, noone is...
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Janne J. Korhonen
jjkorhonen
Jul 7, 2005 10:20 am
Ron, Just to make sure: by request/response I do not refer to synchronous procedure calls. In fact, I think a service invocation should be asynchronous to...
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Anne Thomas Manes
annemanes
Jul 7, 2005 10:20 am
+1. ... _____________________________________________________________ Ronald ... rschmelzer@... Senior Analyst ZapThink LLC...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Jul 7, 2005 11:20 am
<<Approved by Oasis earlier this year, WSDM was sponsored by the leaders in systems management IBM, HP, Computer Associates, and BMC and backed by Actional,...
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Ron Schmelzer
rschmelzer
Jul 7, 2005 12:43 pm
Here's another great ZapThink ZapForum Webcast coming your way! It's Free so sign up and participate - make YOUR voice heard - even if you disagree ;) ... ...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Jul 7, 2005 12:53 pm
I have just come across an article also relevant to this Group. Read about it at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/business-process-management/message/130 Gervas...
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Anne Thomas Manes
annemanes
Jul 7, 2005 4:20 pm
Gregg, All I said was that SOA requires standard protocols, description languages, and discovery mechanisms. I did not say that those standards must be based...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Jul 7, 2005 4:31 pm
<<There's a deafening buzz in service-oriented architecture around repositories, which appear to be emerging as a core component of SOA. What is actually...
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Gregg Wonderly
w5ggw
Jul 8, 2005 11:01 am
... Yes, but I wanted to make sure that you were not just talking about WSF. That is the most common meaning associated with any standards speak these days....
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Anne Thomas Manes
annemanes
Jul 8, 2005 3:09 pm
... All of the above, although #3 is pretty rare. I don't know very many companies that build new systems from scratch. Most often they extend/modify existing...
Obviously, there's a fair amount of confusion about JBI. Lots of ESB vendors have rallied around JBI, but without the support of IBM and BEA, I have my doubts...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Jul 10, 2005 12:10 pm
<<XML is not - repeat NOT - a 'file format' in the sense that most people use the phrase 'file format'. In order to back up this strong assertion, we need to...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Jul 10, 2005 3:25 pm
Your can find Ronald's article on this at the link below: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/business-process-management/message/131 Gervas...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Jul 10, 2005 4:41 pm
<<Anne Thomas Manes, an analyst at Burton Group Inc., said she thinks Sun is doing little more than "throwing dead code to the open-source community." But I...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Jul 10, 2005 6:48 pm
<<Nearly all Fortune 1000 and most medium-sized businesses have deployed Web services. Within the next 12 to 18 months, many of these businesses will move from...
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joyofuse@...
pamidi
Jul 10, 2005 10:17 pm
I agree JBI may have limited success without IBM's blessing. Is it likely that if number of large enterprises rally around JBI, IBM will be forced to adopt...
