... Perhaps you and/or Jan can provide a more descriptive refutation of the issue? I'm sorry that I can't see the difference. I'm trying to see the issues....
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Gregg Wonderly
w5ggw
Mar 1, 2007 5:32 pm
... I am probably doing a bad job of stimulating healthy counter examples to my assertion that RMI "invoke" is a uniform API. My arguments about "invoke" are ...
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Mark Baker
gonga_thrash
Mar 1, 2007 5:33 pm
Hi Eric, ... Uniform *operations* aren't new, I agree. Most messaging systems use them, in particular an operation, normally implicit (i.e. not on the wire),...
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miko_68
Mar 1, 2007 5:34 pm
This discussion is a lot of fun, good stuff. Reminds me of the "Pizza Shop Blueprint" antipatterns piece I wrote here: http://www.soacenter.com/?p=33...
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Jan Algermissen
algermissen1971
Mar 1, 2007 5:35 pm
... The recipients method, port, or whatever we call it is part of the message, at least in the context of this discussion (IMO). [...] ... Yes, Mark made that...
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Bill de hÓra
bdehora
Mar 1, 2007 5:35 pm
... But the web also works because browsers don't generally pay attention to mime-types preferring to sniff content (they do this because the majority of web...
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miko_68
Mar 1, 2007 5:35 pm
Hi guys, I've been blogging and syndicating and posting and writing for my new site SOA Master Class Online, and we continue to have some interesting debates,...
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Simon Plant
si.plant
Mar 5, 2007 11:14 am
Hi to all, first time caller, long time lurker. Can anyone point me to resources for templates to define and capture services information across enterprise...
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rozbeh karimibabak
rozbeh80
Mar 5, 2007 11:15 am
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Stefan Tilkov
stilkov
Mar 5, 2007 11:15 am
IMO, there's a big difference between an interface with just one generic operation and the uniform interface of REST - and it's not just "one" vs. "four" (or...
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Anne Thomas Manes
annemanes
Mar 5, 2007 11:15 am
Gregg, "invoke" is not a uniform interface because it doesn't work unless you also supply a method name to invoke. And in RMI, the method names are not ...
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Eric Newcomer
e_newcomer
Mar 5, 2007 11:17 am
Hi Miko, Since you've posted about this, I guess I'll ask... ;-) When (if ever) do you expect to have multi-vendor content on your new Website? Eric ... From:...
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Gregg Wonderly
w5ggw
Mar 5, 2007 10:09 pm
... The method name, including the associated object id, is the resource, not the operation. Invoke is the operation. ... I think about it in terms of the...
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Mark Baker
gonga_thrash
Mar 5, 2007 10:19 pm
Thanks Anne, very well said. I think it works better coming from you too 8-)...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Mar 6, 2007 4:23 pm
<<There was a time not so long ago that conventional wisdom said all you really needed to get an SOA deployment off the ground was an enterprise service bus,...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Mar 6, 2007 10:39 pm
<<Miko Matsumura, vice president of SOA product marketing for webMethods, says the path from an isolated SOA project to an initiative that spans various...
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Srinivas P
s_padmana
Mar 8, 2007 2:28 pm
SOPOSE'07 Call for Papers 2nd International Workshop on Service- and Process-Oriented Software Engineering (SOPOSE-07) To be held in conjunction with the 2007...
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mda4soa
Mar 9, 2007 11:45 am
***Apologies for multiple postings*** First Call for Submissions (Submissions deadline: April 2, 2007) ... Modeling, Design, and Analysis for Service-oriented...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Mar 9, 2007 6:54 pm
Some of you new to SOA have probably wondered what exactly it was about, what the fuss was about, and what were the benefits. Joe here quotes a couple of...
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Mike Glendinning
mglendin
Mar 9, 2007 11:18 pm
Anne, I can see the elegance of some designs using REST (e.g. APP), but I'm a bit confused by the insistence that the only semantics on offer are GET, PUT,...
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Steve Jones
jones.steveg
Mar 11, 2007 6:32 pm
... So this means that it a) isn't in XML b) that both sides have a shared ontology c) is heavily documented It does seem a trifle "optimistic" to think that...
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Ian Davis
ianalchemy
Mar 11, 2007 6:32 pm
... You've though about the verbs, but have you considered the nouns in your scenario? In the real world you might have a sequence of verbs "lift", "turn", ...
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Steve Jones
jones.steveg
Mar 11, 2007 6:32 pm
... You do not _delete_ an order, you _cancel_ it. There is a big difference between the two. Companies want to know what orders have been cancelled so they...
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Gregg Wonderly
w5ggw
Mar 12, 2007 8:19 am
... This is an interesting point because we've had lots of discussion here about HTTP being an "application protocol". This overloading of "delete" to mean ...
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Anne Thomas Manes
annemanes
Mar 12, 2007 9:55 am
Yes ... semantics are out-of-band. I think that's been Steve's point. That's why I disagree with Jan's assertion that "self-described" requires standard...
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Anne Thomas Manes
annemanes
Mar 12, 2007 10:23 am
Great examples of cost-effective applications, and I've heard Sandy recite them before, but I'd like to point out that both applications could also be ...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Mar 12, 2007 6:04 pm
Thanks, Anne. I am sure you have some interesting (optionally anonymous) case studies that you would like to share with us ..... Gervas _____ From:...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Mar 13, 2007 2:44 pm
Here is an interesting example of an alleged (?) SOA-based system: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/silent-commerce/message/101 Gervas ... anonymous) ... Of...
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Michael Poulin
m3poulin
Mar 13, 2007 5:03 pm
Ann wrote: "IBM has created a central notification system that ensures that lots of applications that contain redundant capabilities are notified of a...
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Dennis Djenfer
dennis_djenfer
Mar 13, 2007 6:15 pm
... Michael, I guess you have read the article from ZapThink about "Competitive SOA", http://www.zapthink.com/report.html?id=ZAPFLASH-2007220, which, frankly ...
