Steve, Let me continue. Dependency in the direction of stability and separation of concern of IT and business have profund implications in our approach of ...
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Michael Poulin
m3poulin
Jun 1, 2007 9:00 am
As I recall, Command Pattern assumes that the command receiver know how to execute the command, i.e. the command (code) does not know how to execute in the...
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Michael Poulin
m3poulin
Jun 1, 2007 9:00 am
I think that the business world is built around resources but the world itself is the service-based. I do hesitate to expose my resources without proper...
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Alexander Johannesen
shelterit
Jun 1, 2007 9:01 am
... To me, it's more about how you think about services, and as such I treat my services as resources instead of API's which sometimes takes me down strange...
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Anne Thomas Manes
annemanes
Jun 1, 2007 9:04 am
You know, it's interesting. Pete Lacey, the most vocal pro-REST advocate on my team thought that my presentation was much too conservative, and I made it sound...
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Steve Jones
jones.steveg
Jun 1, 2007 4:10 pm
Out of interest what is the view around Security, Reliability and the other important "enterprise" qualities that don't current exist in the REST world? I...
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Anne Thomas Manes
annemanes
Jun 1, 2007 4:51 pm
Let me reiterate. REST is about the way you design/implement a capability (i.e., a service). If you abide by the REST constraints, your service will exhibit a...
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ash galal
ashrafwg1
Jun 2, 2007 1:24 pm
This is a great comment. My question: Does REST fits in all kinds of interactions, specifically B2B interaction? If the answer is "Yes" then please point us to...
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arramiah1
Jun 2, 2007 1:24 pm
I am posting fresh to this group. I recently read that ebXML messaging is built on top of SOAP. Can I communicate with an ebXML registry using SOAP messages? ...
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Apps, John
appsj
Jun 2, 2007 1:27 pm
Not sure what airing your concerns with vendors has to do with SOA, but I suppose there is a connection somewhere? If job adverts are sometimes accepted, then...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Jun 2, 2007 1:47 pm
John, Thanks for your message. Two points here: (1) This applies to everyone. Please sign you messages off, i.e. put your name at the end of your message....
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Mike Glendinning
mglendin
Jun 2, 2007 1:47 pm
... Oh come on, Anne! Aren't you overstating the case just a little bit here? I hope Burton Group clients receive somewhat more thoughtful analysis than...
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Sebastian Stein
steinchen802002
Jun 2, 2007 2:24 pm
... It really depends on how you define the terms (SOA, BPM). If you see SOA just as a technology (like ESB and BPEL engines), it is just a way to implement...
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Anil John
aniltj
Jun 3, 2007 9:48 am
Ash, Could you clarify the aspects of a B2B interaction that make it different from a B2C or a interaction that happens within an Enteprise etc. Regards, -...
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Mike Glendinning
mglendin
Jun 3, 2007 9:50 am
... Todd, Wasn't the noun-oriented view of the world thoroughly and effectively ridiculed by Steve Yegge last year (see [1])? Whilst his target is clearly...
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Michael Poulin
m3poulin
Jun 3, 2007 9:51 am
Let me continue Mike's line. Not only " "non functional" aspects of a service will depend mostly on how the service is *implemented*" but some functional ones...
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Stefan Tilkov
stilkov
Jun 3, 2007 9:52 am
Google GData (and the associated calendar, spreadsheet, blogging, notebook etc.) APIs are very RESTful (and built on top of Atom and APP, the Atom Publishing...
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Steve Jones
jones.steveg
Jun 3, 2007 9:53 am
... How will REST guarantee that a service exhibits any of these things? I'm pretty sure that people could create very complex things that are non-scalable and...
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Alexander Johannesen
shelterit
Jun 3, 2007 9:53 am
... Maybe you could give us an idea of this stuff that REST doesn't have, because the words 'security' and 'reliability' are incredibly vague, and, as far as I...
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Steve Jones
jones.steveg
Jun 3, 2007 10:50 am
Not yet, as they aren't being used by businesses. I'm now trying to learn how to get the spreadsheets thing linked with my Carbon Calculator thing, and its...
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Michael Poulin
m3poulin
Jun 3, 2007 11:16 am
Mike, it is a splendid illustration of your point! While I totally agree with "real world modeling" against "information processing modeling", I would like to...
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Mark Baker
gonga_thrash
Jun 3, 2007 1:14 pm
... REST concerns itself with properties of an architecture as a whole, not of individual features of the system. It has been understood for decades, that it...
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Steve Jones
jones.steveg
Jun 3, 2007 1:47 pm
Yup REST can indeed be used to deliver reliable systems, but I was asking what about REST _guarentees_ reliability. So yes you can use REST and then add on...
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ash galal
ashrafwg1
Jun 3, 2007 1:49 pm
Anil B2C interactions do not need to have preplanned message schemas. For example, a browser can pull down and display any HTML or XML page, and a human...
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Anil John
aniltj
Jun 4, 2007 9:06 am
Hmm.. This in some ways seem to be a re-purposing of the terms B2B and B2C (and a point of possible confusion). To me the terms B2B and B2C have traditionally...
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Mark Baker
gonga_thrash
Jun 4, 2007 9:07 am
... The stateless constraint, primarily. Any other architectural style which uses that constraint will be similarly reliable. ... It will be reliable in the...
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Steve Jones
jones.steveg
Jun 4, 2007 9:08 am
http://www.ebxml.org/tools/index.htm might help with your tooling question. For those that think that WS-* is complex.... what on earth do you make of ebXML :)...
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Hitoshi Ozawa
htshozawa
Jun 4, 2007 9:09 am
+1 Makes me remember a comment made by a customer some years back when he told me that he insists on using TR4 (token ring) over 1GB CDMA/CD because token ring...
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ash galal
ashrafwg1
Jun 4, 2007 3:03 pm
No confusion here. SOA is an architecture that crossing the Gap between business and technology. B2C (A2A) and B2B (A2U) are business context that are...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Jun 4, 2007 5:32 pm
<<REST relies on a simple set of "verbs" and puts all complexity into "nouns" that specify the resource. SOAP on the other hand permits quite a complex set of...
