... I thought what ridiculed was the idea of a language that did not have have first class functions, only object methods. That wouldn't be HTTP, or REST...
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Anne Thomas Manes
annemanes
Jun 5, 2007 11:57 am
No single architectural style fits all kinds of interactions. Your choice of architectural style should be determined by the interaction requirements. But I...
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Anne Thomas Manes
annemanes
Jun 5, 2007 11:57 am
Ash, See comments in line ... ... REST does not preclude the exchange of metadata (e.g., XSDs, WSDLs, WADLs, WS-CDLs, etc). ... REST uses hypermedia as the...
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Steve Jones
jones.steveg
Jun 5, 2007 11:58 am
... But you can't be completely stateless, e.g. you have to save the fact that an order has been created, this means there is state. Having stateless...
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Steve Jones
jones.steveg
Jun 5, 2007 11:59 am
I don't think its a question of "unusable"; but certainly things like a VPN are one way to add some security around physical connection, but lots of other...
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Mark Baker
gonga_thrash
Jun 5, 2007 12:27 pm
... Thanks for your (belated 8-) support for REST Anne, but Amazon's services *are* RESTful. Mark....
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Peter Lacey
pete.lacey
Jun 5, 2007 5:14 pm
... Mark, Anne got this info from me. Recently I informed her and others that S3 was RESTful, but that ECS and EC2 were not. The ECS (E-Commerce Service)...
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Mark Baker
gonga_thrash
Jun 5, 2007 5:44 pm
Hey Pete, ... That's actually not the case. That the server changes state as a result of GET matters not to the RESTfulness of the system. ... You're right, I...
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Peter Lacey
pete.lacey
Jun 5, 2007 6:23 pm
... Granted. While it is understood that a server may trivially change state (e.g., log files) on response to a GET. And it's also understood that what this...
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Ashraf Galal
ashrafwg1
Jun 5, 2007 6:36 pm
You are right. No single architecture style fits all kinds of interaction. To understand why WS-* has been embraced by traditional enterprise A2A integration...
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andrewmchorney
Jun 6, 2007 2:20 pm
Hello I am getting back into doing some software development and I need some assistance in knowing what to download before I go on vacation. I am going to do...
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Anil John
aniltj
Jun 6, 2007 2:27 pm
<Mark> ... </Mark> ... <Pete> ... </Pete> So... Is GET supposed to be "safe" or not when it comes to REST? Regards, - Anil...
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Mark Baker
gonga_thrash
Jun 6, 2007 2:59 pm
... REST doesn't care. It doesn't even require a GET-like operation be available. But GET is defined by HTTP to be safe, so it's most definitely bad practice...
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Peter Lacey
pete.lacey
Jun 6, 2007 3:16 pm
... It goes like this: REST the style mandates a uniform interface. It does not say what that interface should be. It could, for instance, be read, write,...
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Mark Baker
gonga_thrash
Jun 6, 2007 4:24 pm
Agreed, with one minor nit... ... order_lunch isn't uniform. It makes no sense to, for example, ask a rock to order lunch for you. Mark....
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Steve Jones
jones.steveg
Jun 6, 2007 4:26 pm
In theory there is no difference between practice and theory but in practice there is... Seriously though this is the point I was making. There is nothing...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Jun 6, 2007 4:42 pm
[ZapFlash] The Governance, Quality, Management Trifecta: Making Loose Coupling Work [ZapFlash] The Governance, Quality, Management Trifecta: Making Loose...
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Gervas Douglas
gervasdouglas
Jun 6, 2007 5:11 pm
<<Project Tango is an open source initiative for the implementation of Web services technologies involving optimization, reliability, security and atomic...
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Peter Lacey
pete.lacey
Jun 6, 2007 5:13 pm
... Ahh, but you're assuming that order_lunch means ordering lunch. In my interface order_lunch causes the resource to be deleted. ;-) My ...
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Stefan Tilkov
stilkov
Jun 6, 2007 5:30 pm
... For all practical purposes of using HTTP in a RESTful way: yes. Stefan -- Stefan Tilkov, http://www.innoq.com/blog/st/...
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Peter Lacey
pete.lacey
Jun 6, 2007 5:31 pm
... Nothing is magic. Anything can be done poorly. So, yes, it's ultimately up to the developer--as everything is. But if your application _does_ obey REST...
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Steve Jones
jones.steveg
Jun 6, 2007 5:43 pm
It makes little sense to ask a Rock to "PUT" or "GET" anything either given that its an inert object not actually capable of interaction. I think Pete's point...
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Simon Plant
si.plant
Jun 6, 2007 5:48 pm
There ware two sessions at Sun JavaOne this year on Tango, interesting and well presented. The PDF of the presentations are available online now at: Microsoft...
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Steve Jones
jones.steveg
Jun 6, 2007 5:49 pm
... No... it MIGHT exhibit them. You can obey the principles of REST and still create a pig. ... It will also be either completely useless (if there really is...
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Mark Baker
gonga_thrash
Jun 6, 2007 7:32 pm
... No Steve, you cannot (at least not a "reliability pig") because ****ALL**** RESTful systems are stateless, and all stateless systems have superior...
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Sanjiva Weerawarana
sanjivaw
Jun 6, 2007 7:34 pm
We (WSO2) have a competitor ;-): http://wso2.org/projects/wsas/java. And it runs on all major JEE app servers too, not just Glassfish (which I wouldn't even...
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Peter Lacey
pete.lacey
Jun 6, 2007 7:34 pm
... Sorry, that's wrong. A system that abides by the constraints enumerated in the REST style will evince the properties associated with that constraint...
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Jan Algermissen
algermissen1971
Jun 7, 2007 8:44 am
... Exactly! You nailed it. Cheers, Jan...
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Michael Poulin
m3poulin
Jun 7, 2007 8:45 am
I find it an interesting combination of vendors - one which does 'everything' via SOAP but not that active in SOA standardization and another one which never...
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Stefan Tilkov
stilkov
Jun 7, 2007 8:45 am
... The REST/HTTP model does not suggest that the *resource* PUTs or GETs anything; you GET or PUT a representation of the resource. If you build an...
