This has probably been covered ad nauseam many times, but I'm wondering the origins of SOA as "business thing." Which actually leads me to wondering about the...
I think there's confusion between the design of something and a technology paradigm. If you look at object orientation, that's the paradigm name and the design...
Okay, I'll be the first to say it since we're all thinking it. Ron, Jason, you guys are the biggest threats to SOA! J (only kidding) Seriously, I think...
This paragraph stood out for me as being completely superb and spot on about the challenges. ... I always use the phrase "Lipstick on the pig" to describe this...
An SOA that is built without a reference to business context or the integration of IT assets often leads to hindered compliance, impeded information flow and ...
... That's fine. But earlier you said; ] Yes, to use the word "architecture" for both REST and SOA is not really ] correct. I mean REST is defined in the...
Ash, You are assuming that the output of an SOA has to be an implemented system. It can merely be an architectural guideline, like a blueprint and never needs...
Hi JP Yes I do. I think, the guidelines has to be implemented or at least proof its concept through an implemented prototype. In addition, the widely agreement...
Or a re-organisation that better aligns the people towards the business goals... Completely agree, there is always an assumption that it _must_ be implemented...
No, I don't think so. We can compare SO to REST, that's ok. But SOA to REST is not ok, at least not according to the way I define it. One is a technology...
... Yes. REST is a style of design (architectural style). Like "client/server" or "pipe and filter". Is that how you see SOA? Mark. -- Mark Baker. Ottawa,...
IMO, the downfall of SOA is its unrelenting focus on a singular characteristic, service-orientation. There are many other aspects that are needed to make any...
... The definition of SOA has indeed been covered ad nauseam, but etymology of the term from a technical concept to a business concept has been less frequently...
Architecture = design + aesthetics. SOA is an overloaded term. I'm wondering where the practice of applying it to the design of business started. Is it Steve's...
Hi Eric, Just have to add my comment in. Mule isn't a "SOA solution". It's just a tool with which a "SOA solution" can be build. Cheers, H.Ozawa ... would...
Sorry for the late post but just want to put my 1 cent in. ... business actions would not seemed that chaotic (while some really does). In most of the cases I...
Here is a conference in San Francisco (did you know that "Cisco" is a Spanish diminutive of "Francisco"?) which might interest you. Thanks to Floyd Marinescu...
Rob: Strong governance is what will make SOA succeed ... frankly, do you want each project each defining redundant services and the ones who come along later...
We stay in regular touch with the handful of our customers who have been doing SOA for about 10 years now (this is what they say) and they also say that it's...
... Mine too! I especially love the line about: "I think [the set of IT Industry Analysts generally] contributes to the demise with the seemingly endless ...
Ok, sorry, yes, that is how I see SOA. But it is a bit confusing then to say something like "you can use REST to implement an SOA" isn't it? Eric ... From:...
... Yes, it is. I hope I've never said that, because it's really an information-free statement. In practice, SOA is constraint-less (i.e. I've never seen a...
There are a couple nuggets I want to call out. Regarding governance, I don't think governance, per se, is the problem, but rather the process by which we...
... doing SOA for about 10 years now (this is what they say) and they also say that it's as much about IT culture as it is about technology. The number...
Governance is indeed a key activity for any architectural approach. It is simply over emphasized when talking about SOA, IMO. Some vendors put their governance...
Yes. The problem here is that the industry does a one-size fits all every single time. We architect for the big and try to apply it across the board. We, at...
... I'm close to giving up on you guys ;-) ""you can use REST to implement an SOA"" makes perfect sense if "SOA" above means the "business level SOA" concept. ...
